Million Dollar Days

Navigating Life's Challenges

• Robby Choucair and George Passas • Season 1 • Episode 45

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In this episode, Robby and George tackle the concept of comfort zones and how they can deceptively hinder personal and professional growth. They discuss how many people settle into a rhythm of comfort, mistaking it for progress, and why this complacency could be the greatest obstacle to achieving higher levels of success. By examining their own experiences, they challenge the notion that comfort is synonymous with contentment and explore how getting "too comfortable" might actually be a sign of stagnation.

This episode also explores the concept of emotional evolution and resilience. Robby and George delve into why men might often bottle up emotions and how this can lead to negative mental health outcomes. They also touch on how evolving perspectives on masculinity are helping to foster a more open and honest dialogue about men's mental health.

Finally, this episode is a must-listen for anyone looking to level up in their personal or professional life. It will inspire you to re-evaluate your current habits, challenge the status quo, and step out of your comfort zone to unlock new opportunities for growth. Don't miss out on actionable insights and strategies to push yourself to the next level.

Robby:

George it is Present September, it is. Did you say present, I did.

George:

I can't catch a break this episode.

Robby:

Can I this episode? We just started.

George:

Just started. It is September, it's September.

Robby:

And there's like 12 working weeks left. So that many 13? That's heaps of shit. So that many 13? I do heaps of shit in that time. Oh, the first week of December, and everyone you know, when I was an employee I'll share this as soon as Melbourne Cup came, switched off, I was in holiday mode. Switched off, I would still do my work.

Robby:

Did you used to go to spring racing carnival? I've been. I wouldn't go regularly. Yeah, go to spring racing carnival? I've been. I wouldn't go regularly. Yeah, but I'd been because I had a um. When I was working at mercedes, I had a client who was the head of procurement for a company that did all of the catering. Okay, remember roland's catering? No idea, maybe not that I don't know something catering. His name was steve. Great guy, steve. If you listen to this man shout out to you steve got me into the formula one. Got me into the uh, spring racing carnival birdcage tickets. Yeah, me and six friends, yeah, it's like that. All I had to do was look after him and let me tell you he got looked after I feel that spring racing carnival, no one goes for the horses is there horses?

Robby:

yeah see, do you know what I mean?

George:

have you ever been? I don't, I have very I mean, have you ever been? I don't, I have very few people. Have you ever been? Yeah, good question, have you?

Robby:

ever been have you ever been.

Speaker 3:

I don't even know what it is. Horse races do you know what a horse is?

George:

yes, I know anything. He got to school in. He was a kid. You know what?

Robby:

let's ride a horse let's share the story about the sheep that you was just sharing. This is a G-rated show. Okay, sorry, we'll keep it PG. Listen with the kids in the car.

George:

Yeah, so I feel the spring racing carnival. I never went for the horses Ever. You used to go with my mates. You'd have a big day out, big day out, and then find yourself somewhere at nighttime and then eventually roll into bed. Do you go regularly Back when I was younger, like out of Between 18 to 23. 18 to 39., 39. That's young. I'm 40 now I can't do it anymore. No, but 18, in early 20s, yeah, we used to go all the time, all the time, all the time. It was fun. I didn't mind it. Back then we used to go with a group of friends. You'd have a big day out. It was a bit of fun. Derby Day, caulfield Cup.

Robby:

Oh, you'd go to the different days.

George:

Yeah, they were the ones I would normally go to, but other than that man, no, actually I don't feel. I've got no desire to go to Spring Racing Carnival.

Robby:

Hey, I went to Spring Racing Carnival. Are we going to go camping, or what? Yeah, absolutely, let's pull it in. All right, did Mike send you an invite today? Nah, he didn't.

George:

Nah, mike, come on Mike. What are you doing, mike?

Robby:

Come on, you're keeping me out of the club. He sent me an invite. Go on me, you, george. Maybe he plans on kidnapping you. Just says, hey, it's working. Yeah, he's like hey, come to this, come to site, yeah.

George:

I've been for a very long time to Spring Race and Carnival and I don't really intend to go in all going to see. I couldn't find anything more boring than the horse races.

Robby:

You could watch cricket. Do you like cricket? I used to play cricket. Yeah, playing cricket and watching cricket is like Watching someone eat and eating.

George:

What a great analogy. I love it. No, I couldn't watch. I don't really watch a test match. The T20 is entertaining Because they just go out and have a hit T20? Yeah, so 20 overs each team, that's alright, that's really entertaining, but, but no, not really. The main sport I watch is just AFL, afl and F1.

Robby:

AFL. Well, you know what we should update everyone with. I bought a car, hey, got a car, generally, went full circle, came back around to the Ranger, that's it. Good car, dude, how could you go elsewhere? You know, and I was thinking of driving it the other day as well and you were telling me this thing's got a turning circle of a bucket or whatever. Well, I was sharing it. The turning circle is here in Tasmania. Yeah, that's what you said. Yeah, yeah, dude, I've what a turning step.

Robby:

I do U-turns, everywhere I do U-turns, but I don't want to eat it Too much to experience it. Yeah, great car man.

George:

How funny Great car Speaking of U-turns. Today I was walking down Bay Street. Did you see? On Bay Street in Port Melbourne?

Robby:

What like a U-turn sign?

George:

No Bay Street, Port Melbourne. Some guy drove a Porsche into the hair salon. Did you see that?

Robby:

Oh, is that why the cops and all that thing? That's right.

George:

No, I didn't see that. Apparently it was gang related or some shit like that. On purpose, yeah, yeah, it was like a new Porsche. No, not a new Porsche, it was like a Macan or something like that. The small four-wheel drive, yeah, drove in there, was set on fire. Thing was burnt to a crisp. Oh wow, which Next to like two doors down from Punky's. It's like some salon there or some shit like that.

Robby:

Like a female.

George:

Yeah, yeah, interesting. Apparently, there's kids upstairs as well. It was all over the news this morning, this afternoon, this evening, wow, I don't know, something exciting happened down our neck of the, down our neck of the woods, anyway, you had to do a u-turn. Yeah, obviously he was trying to do a u-turn. Couldn't get the fuck out of there quick. Oh, I thought it straight into the car, uh, straight into the um, into the salon. But uh, yeah, good, good choice, I think it's. I think the rangers, the utes in general, like there's a reason. It's the most popular car in the country.

Robby:

No other car sells better than a four-wheel drive ute and it's such a versatile vehicle. You know you could imagine driving that into a hair salon. It's a second best.

George:

So that guy drove into a hair salon, so someone was in that hair salon working?

Robby:

No, no, no. What do you want to know? Oh, I was at my own time, sorry, so someone was in that hair salon working. No, no, no. What do you want to do? Oh?

George:

I was at my own time, sorry.

Robby:

As I said, I think it's all good. How do you run your hair? That's how the news made it anyway. Of course the news makes it like that. Yeah, exactly, don't know what it was. That's a bad day.

George:

Yeah, that is a bad day. How do you deal with a bad day? And the funny thing is, I feel that post-COVID, I'm really resilient to bad days. It takes a lot for me to get upset. You know what I mean. I feel that I've been through so much shit over the last few years that a lot of the stuff doesn't faze me anymore. Well, maybe you just be comfortable, too comfortable. No, I don't know about that. Why? Because I feel that I'm in a lot more control of my emotions. Yeah, so I'll look at it as um, as a logical thing so okay, but doesn't okay, there's a saying.

Speaker 3:

I can't remember what it's by, but it says like everything's under control you're thing.

Robby:

So okay, but doesn't Okay. There's a saying a camera holds by, but it says like if everything's under control, you're not going to pass enough. You know, and maybe if you feel like everything is under control, you have gotten used to this speed or this level. You know what I mean. It's like you're playing Like let's just say, for example, we use it a bad day, not an uncomfortable day.

George:

Let me finish. Let me finish.

Robby:

So if you are driving on the highway and everyone's doing 80 and you're doing 120, yeah, and the aim is to go fast, you look around and you're like shouldn't run like most of the people beating them. There's one guy who's going faster, but he's yeah, whatever risk, but me I'm winning steadily comfortably. I'm doing it at a good pace when you compare yourself to everyone else, that's, you get comfortable at 120. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, really comfortable at 120. But it's like, maybe because you just said you never have a, you're always in it, like your emotions are really well controlled, or maybe you need to.

George:

No, I don't think I do. I didn't say I'm comfortable, I just don't. I don't get like you're saying a bad day, a bad day is a negative day. I just don't. I don't get like you're saying a bad day, a bad day is a negative day. It would take a lot for a negative day for me to have a negative day. Do you know what I mean? You're too comfortable. I disagree. I don't think I'm comfortable at all.

George:

I'm not, I'm itching, I'm annoyed still where I'm at in my life. No, I didn't say you're not like. I think you're too comfortable. I'm assuming you are. Yeah, so that's good, we're going to have a conversation, but I don't see, I don't feel comfortable. I don't feel comfort. Do you know?

Robby:

what I mean, not complacency. Comfort, yes, not the same thing, yeah.

George:

Yes, yes.

Robby:

Complacency is I'm not going to go anymore. Yeah, yeah, comfort is I thing.

George:

Yes, complacency is I'm not gonna go anymore. Yeah, yeah, comfort is I'm going at a good speed and it's. No, I don't feel that. Hey, I don't feel that at all. No, no, I'm fucking. I look at that yacht you got me every fucking day and it annoys me that it's still that. I still don't. I can't get onto the yacht yet. Just a yacht for ants. You don't't understand that reference, do you? Do you understand that, iggy? Is this a yacht for ants? Is this a house for ants? You haven't seen Zoolander? Everyone's seen Zoolander. Yeah, zoolander, yeah, needs to be three times bigger.

Robby:

I don't know Anyway.

George:

Anyway, I'm just going to stop with the movie quotes for the rest of time, because it's been a year. We don't want um no, so no, I'm saying from uh, when you say bad day, I think shit hits the fan. Yeah, so, but that I mean that doesn't mean that you're just that you're doing 120, whereas I was just doing 80?

Robby:

no, no, I'm just saying. Sometimes you can think you are uncomfortable comparing yourself to people who are too comfortable.

George:

Yeah, man, I'm not in war, no, I'm not referring to that either. But I'm saying there's definitely other levels of uncomfort and bad days. But also Gary Vee says this too. He compares everything to his wife, kids, mom, dad, brother, sister dying and then he looks at that and goes, cool, it's not a bad day.

Robby:

Okay. So what would it take to shake you up, cause you're saying you'd never have a bad day?

George:

No, no, not that I never have a bad day.

Robby:

I just think it takes a lot for something to yeah, so what, what? When was the last time you had a bad day? Like sometimes I've had days, dude, where I'm like fuck this day, dude, I'm going to bed like that's it, like this is the only way I'm gonna fucking fix it, like I'm just too rattled by everything that's happened and it's just been fucked the whole day and I'm gonna sleep and when I wake up, it's like all right, cool, like that's it, like I just had to sleep. And when I wake up, it's like all right, cool, like that's it, like I just had to sleep that off. It was just sometimes. How do you find, do you sleep on days like that?

George:

Me yeah.

Robby:

I sleep every day?

George:

No, no, of course you sleep every day. But how do you sleep with ease?

Robby:

See, I find, when I'm rattled like that, I'll just be thinking of shit in my head. The whole interrupted sleep. Sometimes me going to sleep at that time doesn't help. I don't go to sleep at like 4 pm. No, you know what I'm saying At any time.

Speaker 3:

It's not like yeah, it's 11 am.

Robby:

You just set the shit meeting and you're like I'm going to bed, that's it, I'm done, I'm going to go to sleep. No, and it's usually a okay. We're trying to grow the business right now and we're making moves and doing all these things and more recently probably I can say probably as close as especially with every like the tours and everything like going missing and like everything so much movement, dude, I felt like I was spiraling out of control yeah yeah, and I think it's that level of growth so fast like we would like hide like salesperson on this person, on doing this.

Robby:

Hide that, sign them up like doing so much that never I never finished my to-do list. I couldn't tell you the last time I finished it. Yeah, I do have you. Yeah, I don't know. It's like I don't know. I don't think I've ever, don't you get to the point where you're like, yeah, like I kind of did everything I have to do today. I've. Yeah, I took in a day.

George:

Yeah, I haven't done that in ages? Yeah, I mean, I look at my list. The other day I actually took a lot off, that's a sick feeling, yeah, I took a lot off it, and then I was like, okay, cool, and then I loaded it back up. I had more stuff to do.

Robby:

Yeah, yeah, but I I just feel like, the more recently, I don't ever feel like I've had a day where I sparred, but I've had a couple of days where it's like, fuck, this is fucking like slogging dude here. And yeah, sometimes you just have a day where you know, and I feel like when it rains, it pours, absolutely. It's like when one client calls you for something bad for do and then you're like, fuck, like all at once, and then, yeah, I've had today's and I used to. Always my thing was I'd go and eat, like that would happen, and I'd be like, oh, what that happened. I hope I don't do that anymore. Yeah, so you went instead Ice bath. Go to bed, go to bed. No, honestly, I'd just go for a walk. Yeah, I think that helps. Yeah, yeah, seriously, just fucking plug my headphone in.

George:

I was reading this book the other day and it was saying how men can't, once your heart rate gets, say, if you're in an argument or a fight or whatever it might be or anything a stressful situation after between 70 and, depending how fit you are, anything over 80 beats per minute, like your body's in stress. You lose all ability to what's your heart rate now? Try to have a look there. So you lose all ability. You lose humor. You lose your sense of humor to be able to joke and be witty. You lose the ability to listen as well. You don't take in information as much Because you're stressed.

George:

Your elevated heart rate, and then you also say things like you'll repeat yourself too as well, when you're elevated Now-.

Robby:

What's the book?

George:

Okay, reba, I'll tell you later. I got it somewhere anyway. But what it was? 74, 73 free. Oh, I'm gonna check mine now. Um, but what was interesting about it? Your watch, your watch, doesn't check it. No, I've got an analog watch. I'll do that purposely, because I don't fucking need to be plugged into the Matrix like he does.

Robby:

Have you even seen the Matrix? I haven't, everyone's seen the Matrix. Yeah, except you. I've seen it, seen it.

George:

How many times?

Robby:

Once, only half of it, on an airplane. I'll figure out how to check my heart rate.

George:

So what I was getting back at is men can't really tell, like right now we walk around and we're relatively safe. You know, last time I checked no one's trying to kill us. Okay Go, I don't know what you're doing on that laptop, but it's fucking some sick shit. So we can't tell the difference between a physical spear, like someone throwing a spear at us, attacking our tribe, our family, our life, whatever and verbal spears. We can't tell the difference biologically as men. So when I attack you say, hey, you're a fuckhead.

Robby:

I hate your hat.

George:

You don't like my hat, don't like your hat. I'm a legacy media guy. I don't like your hat. Media, I don't like your hat and I don't know. Your whoop is stupid. Uh, anyway, you can't tell the difference between me throwing a spear at you and you go right, let's fucking go. You're ready to go to war, guys? You're ready to attack? You reckon that's true I think there's there's definitely a level to it. That would be true.

Robby:

That's a big statement Because, like I know, there's things in the you know how they say like your brain doesn't know what you've imagined and what's true. Oh wow, I haven't heard that. Oh, you've never heard that. No, that's cool. Your brain can't tell the difference between something you've thought like, thought of vividly, and something that's actually happened. Have you ever thought of something that's happened? Yeah Well, have you ever been told a story so well where you'll you start to believe you were there and you're like I was there and they're like you weren't there.

George:

Dude, I remember that dream where I was like was that a dream? Was that real?

Robby:

Yeah, and then you can never tell the difference yeah. So apparently your Is it like that Kind of yeah, yeah, I reckon it is Because I feel like, no matter what anyone said to me, if someone threw a spear I'd freak. Imagine someone threw a spear at you. Yeah, I get that, I would freak. You're throwing a spear. What is this? What is this in this day and age? The Olympics?

George:

But yeah. So attacks like that. They say it's good for you like to go for walks, get your mind off what you're being stressed about. Go and do something. That's not that even if that thing might be a good, you might have a good association with it, and it's stressing you. You can't be doing that like you got to go away.

George:

Go for a walk, read a book, do something that's going to take your mind off it completely for at least 20 minutes. Then come back to it. So if it's a client, for example, you get the phone call. They've just abused you. Or they go and offer you something you say and you're like ready to fucking go. You say, listen, sorry, I need to let you go for just a second, but I will call you back in about 20 minutes. I go something is just really important, come up and I'll call you back.

George:

You will get a much better result going back to that conversation than getting straight into it right there and then not that I've ever really done that myself, but that's from. It makes sense to a degree. You know, calming down like have you ever written I've written emails before where I'm like fuck you, you're far like we. We had a comment for naming rights of your unborn children. You're fucked and then come back to it 20 minutes later, half an hour later. Okay, cool, I'll delete that sentence. I'll delete this. I'll change that. Thanks for your understanding. Same so.

Robby:

I can't think of a direct example. The only time I can think of when you say that story is when I was typing an email, oh, and I called you how funny. And you're like what's going on? And I'm like, dude, listen, blah, blah. And you're like, hey, don't fucking send me, Don't send the email. Look back at it now. When was that? I was like maybe a couple of years ago, was it?

George:

Nah, I'm shit with time. What was?

Robby:

it Yesterday. Yesterday Four years ago. Yeah, pre-covid. Nah, it was probably 10 months ago. 11 months ago, we had this podcast.

George:

Oh did we? Oh, we did too. We did too. Yes, we spoke about it. Yeah, we spoke about it, yeah. So I think for us we were. I'm talking from a man's perspective. It's very easy to attack. I find it easier to attack. All right, someone pisses me off, I'll go. No, fuck you do this. Yeah, who do you think? I think I'll headbutt you.

Robby:

I think that's a good trait can be, but it's not always going to get you the best result no, no, but you need to have that fire oh yeah, you're gonna have to fire in the belly, for sure I don't know if you're gonna have to fire dude, because what happens when that person coming to attack is coming to attack, yeah, absolutely, and they're coming to attack your family or your kids or your missus, absolutely. What's gonna happen then?

George:

you're gonna be like yeah, like no it was dan pena was saying that he there was a survey. No, there's a questionnaire. He does before he gets people to come into his course or something like that. He goes if someone's came up to your wife and spat in her face like what would you do? And like the answers were talk to him. See what they were doing, like, see what was happening in their life, why were they this? And he's like no, he goes, you gotta drop the motherfucker and you kick him in the teeth and you make sure he can't bleed and he can't get up and his fucking teeth are moving and hanging out and his face is rearranged that his mother won't even fucking recognize him. Yeah, yeah, he's like kill, like, kill that killer, killer. You guys go to jail, like do everything you can, whatever that was a very good american accent, thank you.

Speaker 3:

Thank you, it was very confused I was practicing.

George:

I've been practicing for a long time.

Robby:

My wife says I feel like I'm Dan Minion. I feel like I'm on a podcast.

George:

You're not Dan, you're Dan Minion. I didn't drop, I should have. I was trying not to drop the C-bomb Because it is. It's part of his vocab to jump in that. But my wife often says that I'm amazing at imitations. Who I'll let you know. I, I'll let you know, I'll just drop it one day.

Robby:

I'll let you know on the podcast. You can tell me how good it is or not. Give us another invitation. Yeah, not now, come on, I've got to be in the moment. Oh, yeah, it's fine, and you don't watch movies either. So, yeah, I'll start. I'll start After this. Yeah, if that's what into you, I'll commit. Um, but yeah, so I get it.

Robby:

I agree, I think the whole walk thing definitely works. I do it heaps, yeah, yeah, like I. I I still till now, post 75 hard, still train daily, or at least, if I don't train, I get a walk-in. Yeah, like I just go and like plug headphones in, or sometimes I just put them on and don't pay anything, so no one talks to me or, dude, like sometimes I got so much on my mind that I'll put them on and I'll just I'll be so caught up in my own thoughts and I'll just start walking and I'll forget to play something and I'll be like almost on my way back and I'll be start walking and I'll forget to play something and I'll be like almost on my way back and I'll be like I should play something, I should put an audio book on or something.

Robby:

Yeah, good Is it, but yeah, I don't. I guess if I've had a bad day, like if everything is compounded into that one day, I still feel like even a walk doesn't.

George:

Yeah, without a doubt. Yeah, you could speak to someone Sometimes.

Robby:

Do you have that friend?

George:

Even just a friend that I would.

Robby:

Call it, you can just.

George:

Vent.

Robby:

Yeah, not necessarily, dude, call me whenever you want, but I, I have that friend, yeah, and I can call and like he, he would know he'd probably listen to this, he would know who he is, I'll call him too. Yeah, sure, sick, and I can call him and just vent, yeah, and so you can do the same, like, and he can call and just bent, and I think that is um, I think that is a underrated thing.

George:

Yeah, look, I've got a handful literally a handful of friends that I would call, probably four friends that I would call, and one of them probably more so than all the others, if I wanted to vent. Yeah, I don't normally, though, did I, ray, I think, having yeah, I don't normally, but I think I can see it's. Yeah, having someone to do you think blokes more than just as a generalization? Do you reckon guys would hold things in rather than expressing how they're thinking and feeling? Yes, yeah, I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Yeah, I don't think there's anything wrong with it either.

Robby:

I can't do it because women are someone said this the other day women are more emotionally evolved, evolved yeah, yeah, than men. Yeah, without a doubt, and I was like that's a great way. Someone said this the other day women are more emotionally evolved evolved, yeah than men. Yeah, without a doubt, and I was like that's a great way to put it. Yeah, do you know what I mean? Like they are, I think women have way better intuition than men do. Yeah, way better. Like we are fucking do you know what I mean? And they're all like ah, something, do you know what I mean? Like there's something going on there or I don't trust that guy, whatever it might be, and most of the time they'll be right, yeah, and imagine both people in a relationship were like that. Though.

George:

Yeah, exactly.

Robby:

That emotionally evolved. Do you know what I mean? I feel like one person has to be stable.

George:

Yeah, yeah, I'm saying from the perspective of a lot of men will just carry their burdens.

Robby:

I think it's the ability to do that.

George:

Yeah, you see a lot of people. I don't think a lot of people have the ability they carry it and can't handle it.

Robby:

George, you don't build the muscle of how to lift in the weight.

George:

Yes, but a lot of people. Just I don't think they can look at you. Just look at the current stats of the world. Here's COVID as well. I think I don't know if it's COVID fucked everything or COVID just exposed everything. Do you know what I mean? I think everyone was fucked before COVID. It just exposed it more. So what's fucked? Oh, I'm just saying like mentally weak.

Robby:

That's that's. Have you heard the whole concept of hard and easy? No, maybe Put them bad or whatever.

George:

Maybe no, it's a concept.

Robby:

Okay, so hard times make for hard people. Yeah, hard people make for easy times. Oh, weak, easy times make for weak people. Hard times make strong men I was trying not to say men, because I'm not a misogynist. What is it? Hard times make strong men.

Speaker 3:

Strong men make easy times good times make weak men.

Robby:

Weak men make hard times, yeah, and I think we're just in that cycle, yeah that's it, yeah it's not. There's nothing wrong, yeah I think you're 100 right, 100 right. You know when. The last time we went through this was in the 90s. What the fuck, dude? This is like an 80 year cycle.

Robby:

80 year cycle yeah, it takes ages, for it takes generations. All right, yeah, so it takes generations. So the last time I think they went through this, where people, where they went through like a real deep, like shit got fucked up, which is what they're expecting to happen now no, water still hasn't happened. No, they reckon the economy is gonna take a massive like. Australia doesn't feel most of what the world feels. Yeah, like, even if the economy tanks in the US, we feel it, but we don't feel it as bad as they do. Yeah, just as when it peaks, we feel it, but we don't feel it as bad. We're very stable. We've got a good economy here.

Robby:

Yeah, um, but the whole thing about the great depression of 1929, that was when everything tanked. People depression like 1929, that was when everything tanked. People with money went broke, dude, like, people lost everything and that was the whole. Uh, good times, weak men, and then everything crashed and then the whole world turned to shit for like the next 20 years. You know, I mean the world wars, all that happened in that period of time and and they reckon we're coming to that now Because life has been and I said this recently pretty damn good it has. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely Most people are in a position where if they ordered something and they didn't like it, they could comfortably order something else. I'm serious dude. They could be like this is fucking horrible and I can eat something else.

George:

So don't you think there's opportunity here then too, during good times, if everyone's playing so easy? What do you mean? Well, if everyone's sleeping at the wheel, everyone's always sleeping.

George:

Yeah but even more so now. You're saying we're in easy times because people aren't trying hard, they don't have to fight for survival, they don't have to fucking get up off the couch to order food and cook food. They can go and put it on their phone. Is this the opportunity? This is what I'm saying in the last episode. You've just got to work 10% harder than everyone else. But anyway, that's a topic for another time. But we'll come back to what we were saying.

Robby:

Because you said it was fucked, which was, you said, men not being able to talk or not holding or trying to hold it in, and then not being able to, not being able to carry the burden.

George:

Oh no, I didn't say it was fucked. I just think most people nowadays are like that yeah, because, along the analogy, you're saying there's probably a lot of weak guys around, oh, 100%, yeah, so a lot of-. I think there's weak people, yeah, yeah. Weak people for sure, yeah, for sure. I shouldn't classify a gender there. It's absolutely everywhere across the board.

Robby:

Yeah, I think the reason why they say weak men is because it was okay for women to be weak, like there was no expectation. Yeah, do you know what I mean? Yeah, dude, men are the most disposed. People forget about what the fuck's going on. Men are the most disposable. That's why men go to war. Yeah, do you know what I mean? Like because you can recreate a whole society with one man and 30 women. Yeah, you can't do it with 30 men in World War. I, yeah, do you know what I mean? Like people forget about the whole survival. Like at one point, that was the biggest thing. Like we need to survive Tribes, da-da-da. Like people, completely, we've come so far that they have no association to it At all. Dude, I didn't, until I read 48 Laws of Power and they started talking about all this stuff and I'm like and that wasn't that long ago, like 200 years ago. You know what I mean? And it's like, yeah, I don't know.

George:

Do you reckon it's?

Robby:

harder for men. What Just life.

George:

I guess having to carry that burden, no well, I'd say they're equipped for it. How, what do you mean? How? I think most guys are more resilient than they give themselves credit to. I just see it. I don't know. I see a lot of people walking around these days with a lot of problems.

Robby:

Yeah, so do you think I don't know the answer?

Robby:

I don't know why I don't know anything. Yeah, you don't know. Why Are you trying to solve fucking world famine? Do you think they actually? Because this is another thing, like everyone says oh, you know, people are more anxious now than ever, or people are more on meds, or you know, they say all that stuff and it's like is that because we just got them better? Like, oh, more people have autism, yeah, that whole thing. Yeah, oh, vaccines and blah, blah, blah. More people have autism now than ever. It's like, well, have we just got better at diagnosing it? Yeah, like, is that what's happened?

George:

It's always there.

Robby:

Yeah, you know what I mean. Like people are getting away without being diagnosed before, like they live their life and know what they just thought you were done. Yeah, do you know what I mean? Like I hate being labeled. I fucking hate it If anything. Oh you're this, oh you're that? It's like don't fucking don't move me that box, don't try and put a fucking sticky note on me. Yeah, like no, do you know what I mean? And I, I refuse to think that my life is harder because of my gender.

George:

Do you get annoyed by, you say, people putting labels on you? But do you get annoyed when people say stuff Me, yeah, does it bother you? What would be a label that would annoy you? Now, your the.

Robby:

Lebanese no, that's not a label. Your 11-8s no, no, that's not a label. Though, like you know, like people sit there, oh, maybe, like, yeah, I don't like it when people and there's one person who's going to listen to this, who always does this, and I had the conversation with him the other day and he says, oh, it's my ADHD. And I say, dude, I don't know anyone that fucking says they've got ADHD more than you Like, stop, stop labeling yourself, stop it. Do you know what I mean? Like you're just falling into an identity group. That's all you're doing. Stop, there's no benefit to that.

Robby:

Someone once said to me we're out of training. I think I told you this and I was like why do you think I don't like this activity? And he was like oh, because you're a blue and blue. Now, you know what blue is? At the time you didn't. And he's like because you're a blue. And I'm like what do you mean? And he's like oh, yeah, because you're a blue and this and that. And I'm like yeah, that just makes no sense. Do you know what I mean?

George:

But that time, yeah, because I was like and I just don't like, yeah, don't pigeonhole me. Yeah, it's like saying you've you big boned, it's genetic, you genetics. That's why you're chubby that's an excuse, excuse 100. That's an excuse for the video. Maybe this point, maybe this, like you don't, doesn't have adhd yeah, you know exactly I'm talking about.

Robby:

Oh, do I oh?

George:

sick. I can't wait to. Actually, I don't, you don't know. Okay, fine, I'll say the name. Nah, um, because I listen, they listen to the podcast. They might, um, they should, they should.

Robby:

They're 100 subscribed without a doubt, yeah, and if they're not, their adhd is going to make them subscribe now, right now, right now no doubt You're trying to make out what I'm talking about. Look at him. He's like yeah, I don't like being I don't I refuse.

George:

People can label you. Just it's your choice whether to believe it or not. Will you label yourself?

Robby:

It's your choice to believe it or not. I don't label myself with anything, that's it Like anything.

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

Robby:

Apart from a mad dog. A mad dog, just like this dog, just like this dog here, just like there you go, come on. Do you reckon, should I get a dog?

George:

Yeah, man, dogs are sick.

Robby:

Yeah, dogs are sick, but it's also Man's best friend. It's a lot of work.

George:

At the start. It's good to what's it called Take them on walks. It's even another excuse to go for a walk. They're loyal. They're loving Good dogs. Dogs are sick. Yeah, dogs are sick, especially if you're living on your own as well Someone to talk to.

Robby:

Yeah, someone was saying that to me the other day. I just wish I just wish she's loving life right now Hang out at the office. I could get a trainer, could I Could just do that? Yeah, could just do that. Get a trainer. Oh, good, huh, yeah, could just do that. Yeah, could just do that. Get a trainer, that would help a lot. I just don't have the time to sit there At the start. Dude, the first three months, it's a job. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're pissing and shitting everywhere. Oh, dude, yeah, they are pissing and shitting everywhere. I wasn't talking about you, but yeah, I refuse to feel like I am disadvantaged.

George:

Look at dogs, man. How happy is a dog when it walks into the room. Do you know what I mean? They walk in, they're happy, there's not a bother in the world, and to a dog, everything is good. Everything is good and their time is limited, their time is shorter than ours and they froth food and they love it. There's nothing you can do that'll upset a dog. Sick um, so get a dog, get a dog, get a dog. So how could you be what? What could you do now? You know, the other day I had a um, we had a concrete pool on one of my jobs and the like. Decent, it was on an apartment project, so decent. Amount of work, all scheduled, everything booked in, ready to go. The day before we get a phone call from the guy, he goes hey, I can't do it. Can't do the concrete. Port mary, like what the fuck you're talking about? We're pouring tomorrow. I've got cranes, traffic management, concrete is booked, the boom's booked, everything camera, guy's not coming you book the camera guy.

George:

Look, he was there, everyone, everyone was booked, the end, okay. And he goes yeah, I can't come. Like what do you mean? You're coming like I was cracking it like bad day, cool, it's right now. See, I don't get. I think it's not a bad day for me, like even in that scenario it's like pressure. So, no, no, no, get your fucking shit together.

Robby:

That's what I'm saying you're getting used to the temperature bloke, you are, I know. Just wait, I haven't finished my story. No, yeah, okay, good.

George:

Anyway, he goes, I'm not coming. I've got mental health issues, yeah.

Robby:

And I'm like okay, so what do you say to that? Now I would say, if you don't come and get out of physical health?

George:

Yes, absolutely. But like it's at that point now, all right, so I've got, I've got in my car. So you, as much as you'd want to say that you're not going to say listen, shut the fuck up, have some concrete, harden the fuck up and get on site. Ironic, I know right, got some concrete, got some concrete on site all right, hurry up, we're pouring.

George:

So I don't know what's going on in his life. You do, you? But that? That scenario then pushed us back two, three days, whatever it was. We had to organize, new people come in, do the job, so on and so forth.

Robby:

Yeah, but um, see, I think that's toughness with what I think I've never withdrawn from a situation where I had to like I might not have shown up as my best self, but I'll show up. Do you know what I mean? Like I would have shown up and did the job. And yes, I wouldn't have been 100% because of whatever was going on in my life, but I would have showed up and did the job.

Robby:

Yeah, do you know what I mean and I think that's the toughness, dude. Dude, we're doing the do when everything is fucking fine and it's sunny and the sky's blue, and you know what I mean. Every day you woke up in a happy mood, that's easy. It's when you don't, it's when you know shit's gone wrong in your life or whatever it might be. And like I'm not saying you should never have an excuse or anything like that, right, but do you reckon it's the first time that guy's pulled that card? Oh, probably not.

George:

That's what I'm saying, yeah, it's usually. It's always the same people guy's pulled our card?

Robby:

Oh, probably not. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, it's usually. It's always the same people.

George:

Oh, look, I was at the point where I was sick of the excuses with other shit as well. You know what I mean. There was other things going on, so like I'd lost my patience completely and not to be insensitive about it. Oh, it was just. It was not to be insensitive, it. Do you know what I mean? I have a job.

George:

Okay, cool, let me call up my client and say, hey, are you happy to pay me $10,000 for the loss of work today, because this happened? Now, I'm not willing to do that. The job is not going to stop because you can't fucking fulfill your obligations as you said you would. So then we have to move on to the next thing, plan B, whatever, yeah, yeah. So what do you do in that case? What did I do? Yeah, oh, the situation's the situation. Me getting shitty about it and losing my mind and cracking it at everything and everyone doesn't make it any better. So what's the next plan of attack? So then, just find the next person, okay, cool. Oh, so you replaced him. Absolutely, don't fuck around. And he's going to pay for it. Like he's going to pay for it. Am I an asshole? Now I'm going to make him pay because I had to get someone else in short notice.

George:

They cost me an extra 5,000 bucks. Let's say I'm going to deduct that 5,000 off his bill of money that I owe him. We made a contractual obligation to each other. We signed the contract. You're going to do this job for this much. I'm going to get that service. You didn't do that.

George:

So it means I have to now go and employ Robbie for a premium because I call hey, can you come and do my current concrete? Now he says, yeah, of course I can, but this is my price now, rightly so. I didn't give you the job, I gave it to him. Yeah, and fair enough. Yeah, that's it, and you're dropping everything to come and help me. Thanks, man, appreciate it. No worries, this is my price. Absolutely, let's go. So even if I had paid him out in full still would have done that. It's just that it's the cost of doing business. Sometimes these things happen. Man, it's like you're saying you're not going to wake up every day. Everything's perfect on a construction. Yeah, shit happens. It's like. So I can't lose my mind over. If I lost my mind over every little thing that happened, I'd honestly be in a bad mood every single day yeah, because it's every day, but that's what I'm saying.

Robby:

So do you see what I'm saying here?

George:

yes, I see what you're saying, so why do you refuse to admit it? No, because there's no, because, why? Why should I be like, what's the next level?

Robby:

What is the next level?

George:

Don't go to a high-rise building in the city. Go to a 50-story building.

Robby:

I have 50 fucking numbers. Do you see what I'm saying? In the sense of you get used to that level. Let's just say, for example, let's just put numbers on it and let's just say most people play life at level two.

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

Robby:

Yeah, they get out of high school, they get a job and they stay there, all right. And let's just say you've gotten to level six and you're doing better than most. But you've gotten used to level six and now it's like still doing great, don't get me wrong but like that's become the level two for me that's become the norm and that's why you're now like well, nothing really sets me off because I've kind of, you know, but then you'll convince yourself. No, no, this is not comfortable, I'm still, but are you?

Speaker 3:

do you?

Robby:

know what I mean, I know what you say, because the thing about being uncomfortable is. It's paradoxical. You can only be uncomfortable for so long until you get comfortable with it, and then it's the change, and that's the hard part you know, like-.

George:

I don't even know what the change is going to be now. Yeah, that's the thing. You know what I mean, maybe it's an ice bar.

Robby:

No, hear me out. You know, we know a group of people who will claim that they're all about growth and change and you know the comfort zone is the thing not to go into. Yeah, yeah, and they're all hanging around the same group and it's like you motherfuckers got comfortable real quick. Yeah, do you know what I mean? Like you all claim to be people wanting to grow, and that's great, and you were at one point and it got you to this, and then you look comfortable here. Yeah, and I think that's the game, dude. Like it's like okay, cool, what's next?

George:

don't, but admit you're not yeah, well, that's part of the reason why I think it's important to move on, even from mentors from that regard. Yeah, of course, because eventually you're gonna. It's like cool, are you with them, because it's comfortable and you know what the advice they're going to give you and you know what they're going to say yeah, and it's not a.

Robby:

I'm out of my comfort zone and I think I said it to you the other day stretched yeah, we did.

George:

I said actually on the podcast it's like my next mentor, I want to feel uncomfortable just walking in the room. You know, I don't. I do not belong here. These guys are worth hundreds of millions of dollars. Do you know what I mean? And I'm just trying to make, I'm just trying to break, you know eight figures this year, this year, and they did it like this week. Yeah, no, that's. That's the sort of room that you want to be in, for sure um, but are you starting to see what I'm saying?

George:

yeah, for me I think it would have to be something extreme now, like in my business, in in my construction business. What more is it? I even think okay if I was doing a 10-story building.

Robby:

Yeah, but maybe you need to do 10, 10 stories. But I don't want to, hey, I don't want to, never want to do it.

George:

No, no, no, no, no. I don't see it financially beneficial for me to step into that world.

Robby:

I don't want to do the uncomfortable will see all the problems with it. Do you know what I mean? Like no, no, I don't want to do it. Like why would I do it? Buy a house that's risky or go and invest in business risky. Do you get what I'm saying?

George:

Because you will get in your own way, I do what I'm saying because you will get in your own way. I do. I just I'm smart enough to understand the risk and reward in my space. I don't see it like fucking, go speak to gc, all right. Next time he's here on the cast, yeah, go and ask him. So, hey, should I be a bill? He'll tell you being a build is the worst fucking thing on the planet. Never be a bill. Then he'll put the general contractor. It's the worst business on the planet. Why? Because you guys, it's so risky, there's so much risk associated with it. No, no, no. There's more in construction than there is most other businesses. You're telling me there's less risk in marketing than there is construction.

Robby:

Am I saying that there is less risk in?

George:

marketing than there is construction. Probably that's right. So that's what I mean as a business if I was to be making it.

Robby:

But also I feel like if I was a builder I wouldn't say it's risky. That's just how I feel. I just don't feel like that's a suitable mentality to have.

George:

Even if it is, but you can't be delusional about it.

Robby:

It's not about being delusional it delusional about it. It's not about being delusional. It's not about being delusional, I know, but I'm just saying what's the benefit of you thinking that, of me thinking which? That we're in the most riskiest industry? What's the benefit?

George:

There's no benefit there, but it's an understanding, so why don't you do it? Why do I do it? Yeah, I'm doing it. I've managed to do saying I've heard you say we are at the helm, we are what's the, we are at the risk of everything and everyone for the successful delivery of our project.

Robby:

No, not that we are at the helm. What's the realm? Realm, that is that say mercy we're at the mercy of the elements I've said maybe said that one in passing yeah, yeah, mercy of all the elements and everything, and you know, to deliver this successful job. And it's like I get it, it's a limiting belief, massively limiting belief.

George:

I mean, I'm trying to self-strip what I'm saying. Yeah, right from my mind as well, but what I'm saying is, yeah, you're saying if you, if we won lottery tomorrow, like it's me investing. What's a good investment, what's a bad investment?

Robby:

You know what. So people say why is construction risky? Why?

George:

I'm just told like, because there's so many elements on it that are it's not just Like what's the risk With what?

Robby:

Because everyone says they turn over so much money and it's like the risk is that every element across the board.

George:

There's a risk there of losing money on each and every element. It's not like one thing is foolproof. Nothing's foolproof, I know, but not to the extent of construction, Not to the extent. It's every step of everything. Everything, because you're literally micromanaging the whole build from fucking the ground up, literally. Okay, it's not like a florist. What's your risk in running a florist? The flowers don't get delivered on day one Okay, they come the next day. We've got every element.

George:

Digging the foundations Okay, you start digging. There's asbestos in the ground Okay, cool, that's a cost. You start pouring concrete oh, there's extra concrete. There's the Rio. Delivery doesn't rock up. It starts to rain. Like everything, every element of the build, every single stage, has a risk associated to it. I'm not saying it's higher. That's where the risk is involved in it. It's not a great bet to put your money on construction. There's other ways of making more money in other elements. If I won that $100 million, why don't I go build the Rialto myself? It doesn't pay me. It doesn't pay me because I know I can get multiplex to do it. Have no risk. They'll manage the whole risk and all I have to do is pay their bill every month.

Robby:

Yeah, but then that might not be the level of uncomfort.

George:

But we're talking, you're saying I don't think the uncomfort is the like for me to go in that constructions.

Robby:

I don't think that's what I'm saying. That might not be the level I want to come. It might be doing three times the amount of the same builds that you're doing right now, Potentially. But again, Doing a bigger house doesn't make you a better builder. It doesn't necessarily mean you're doing better. Someone who builds a 10-story building in the city doesn't do more than Metricon.

George:

Yeah, that's right. Do you know what?

Robby:

I mean yeah, yeah.

George:

Yeah.

Robby:

So like maybe you're just looking at it wrong.

George:

Yeah, the volume yeah, I would do more volume, no issues with it. I would turn over $50 million tomorrow and I wouldn't be phased by that as in. Yeah, it's a lot of money and it would be a challenge that would be uncomfortable. In that regard, turning over, you know, five, 10, 10 dollars, do you get what I'm saying? Yeah, but even here, say, for example, I want to now and I do.

George:

We're actually at that place where I'm getting capped with the level of work I can do, and this is another risk. I have X amount of dollars in insurance. So the government or the Victorian building, the Victoria VMIA, Victoria Managed Insurance Authority, gives every builder in the country a set limit as to how much they will be insured for. So one builder's three mil, one builder's 20 mil, one builder's seven mil, six, five, whatever it is. So everyone's limited. Okay, so I am reaching. I've got one project that we're going to sign up, hopefully this month, maybe early next, and I'm capped. So that's a risk. I'm now capped with how much money. I've got some other fuckwit telling me how much money I can make this year. What's the risk? The risk is I can't make more money, I can't go out and build, I can't double my turnover. How do I double my turnover now? So that's a risk.

Robby:

So what's the risk? The risk, yeah.

George:

Well, now being in that industry, I could now go and invest money elsewhere where I don't have limitations on it. Maybe I could invest $15 million in marketing and brand in another company.

Robby:

I think there is, you are. I think there is always a constraint.

George:

Yes, there is. Yeah, that is a constraint and there is ways to work it. Yeah, I can increase my insurance. There are builders out there that do Just time.

Robby:

Yeah, but I think it's just a constraint. It is, it is, I don't know. I just think it's not that bad as a non-builder. Yeah, that's exactly right. No, no, I'm talking about building. I don't know. I just look. I think I feel like you could have a better outlook All builders.

George:

Yeah, maybe it's a little bit.

Robby:

there is probably a sense of pessimism in my words In my-, no, no, no, if anything, you're probably way lesser than most in that space. Yeah, even Dude, it is so bad it rubs off on other people. They'll be like, yeah, man, building is risky. And you're like what have you built? They're like nothing and you're like what are you talking about? Like, what are you talking about? Do you know what I mean? And they're like, yeah, builders don't make any money. Every builder I know drives a nice car.

Robby:

Maybe I'm a fool maybe you are maybe you're a builder, trying to become one, trying to get a job at PASCOM, simon, look out, look out, simon. Yeah, I don't know. But do you, simon, look out, look out, simon, look out. Yeah, I don't know, but do you? Does the whole uncomfortable thing make sense to you? Oh, it does, without a doubt. Without a doubt, and because we get comfortable with the same thing yeah, without a doubt. Well, what is the next thing that's going to make me think? Because at one point, if you did what you were doing now, you'd be really uncomfortable. Oh, without a doubt. But now you kind of like, yeah, like it still feels like a lot, but I'm kind of it feels like normal too.

George:

Yeah, yeah, without a doubt. Like I said, we're going to have our biggest year to date, and I don't know if that's-.

Robby:

Do you measure years by calendar year or financial?

Speaker 3:

year.

George:

I tend to look at it in my head. Calendar year yeah, yeah, I think that's how I look at it. So I'll say, yeah, we're booked out for 25. Financial year yeah, not so much. Yeah, fair enough. I mean, when I'm looking at the numbers I do, but I always in my mind I think, what have we got for this year, for 25, for 24th? There's only inside, and so forth. But next year we'll I reckon we'll have a full book, which is great, full book of work.

George:

Uh, and I want to keep growing, and that's that's the other thing with employing people now, right, that's uncomfortable, because if I'm putting on more employees, I've got to keep growing. And that's the other thing with employing people now, right, that's uncomfortable, because if I'm putting on more employees, I've got to keep that level of work going too. It can't be just like, okay, I'm going to put on a PA, a GM, another side guy, and then just go, cool, we're going to drop down here because my prelims, my overheads now are high. I need to maintain that level of business from here. That's the new normal. Yeah, now we've got to go to the next one as well. So I've got to maintain that.

Robby:

That's my challenge now as well some but at one point having the team you have now, you would have been like, yeah, all these overheads, yeah and now it's like my, um, my uncomfortable is going to be putting a gm on.

George:

yeah, like that, that will be uncomfortable massively for me, for you, oh fuck no, what's going to be the most uncomfortable thing about? It. Leaving the control Like giving the control to someone else.

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

George:

Yeah, like to go. Okay, yeah, drive. Don't drive like that, you're driving too fast.

Robby:

Both hands on the wheel.

Speaker 3:

George's biggest fear is going to be once he gets the GM. The GM is going to approve working from home. Oh mate, if he works from home, nah, he will approve in the company.

George:

If he approves people to work from home once a week, I'll break his legs. He'll be walking. He'll have to get wheelchair access into the office.

Robby:

Don't you think at some point it has to become less you, it has to become its own?

George:

Yeah, yeah, it does. It would Identity I'm going to have to if I ever want to step away. Absolutely See, I would sell my company, no issues.

Speaker 3:

I'd love it.

Robby:

What do you sell when you sell a building company? What are you selling the?

George:

company Same as any business. What are you selling?

Robby:

Well, just a bit.

George:

It's a brand. The brand would be considerable with that, I would think, if you've invested properly into it and built a strong brand, the reputation and actually delivering the systems that you have in there, the IP, absolutely, the employees, the team, the relationships with architects and other stakeholders. Yeah, so I mean there's definitely people there that would be interested in buying it, for sure, but would I sell it? It wouldn't sell with me sitting at the head of the table, or not as much I don't think, because anyone that looks at my business will go oh well, george is, george is the business, and is that?

Robby:

so? Is that part of your, um, I guess, what you're considering? What do you mean? Like you have a business on the management yeah, that'd be cool.

George:

I'm just thinking. I'm thinking of it from a perspective of time. If I have a GM on that, I don't. They were saying you win $100 million. I wouldn't come to the office every day. Well, I want to do that, not because I don't want to be working, I'll be doing other stuff, but I'll do other business stuff Just might not mean I'm in the office to do that.

George:

Or I was even thinking I'll get an office somewhere else and move in with my sister-in-law's, got an office on Bay Street, maybe just go have an office in her office, just sit there and then come here once a week, have a catch up with everyone, see what they're doing and take it from there. But anyway, don't know, don't know, don't know. But that'll be my uncomfortable, for sure, for sure. Handing over the keys to someone else to drive, it's a big thing. Yeah, yeah, that's right, because I look at it from a perspective of look, I know the ins and outs of everything in this business. So it's like, okay, well, I've got to teach them to do it, or teach them how that operates, but then give them the freedom as well to run their own show. So that'll be interesting to see how it goes, and I'd have a pretty high standard, I think, and so you should yeah, especially in that role. Why would you not yeah?

Robby:

And I'd want to see an ROI on it too. Yeah, you want to see the business growing.

George:

Yeah, that's what I want to say. That'll be the big test. Yeah, if I step away, what? How does it continue securing and bringing in these projects? That's what I would want to see.

Speaker 3:

So that's interesting.

George:

Yeah, so for me it's not going to the $30 million turnover it's bringing on the GM. That'll make me uncomfortable and go Then him take it for $30. Yep, Sick, Very cool. Sounds like a good day. Sounds like a good day, that's right. Sounds like a very good day. I was speaking to a client today. I was bitching and moaning to him. He goes what are you doing? I was like good, good. I go fuck, it's taken me four hours to do your claim. He starts laughing at me because, just the way they want me to do their claim in a certain way, it's taken me four hours. I've been doing this since I got into the office today four hours. He starts laughing. I said, fuck, you know what Good problem? Good problem to have me complaining about getting all the money that you're going to pay me together. Do you know what I mean? First of all, that's it. That's it. I was going to pay. That's what I mean. I always try and look at the glass half full. You know what else?

Robby:

Oh, sorry, go, I was going to say that is the fact that you can stop and look at the glass half full. Yeah to me says you've got the there's level of comfort. I could be wrong, maybe you're just unstoppable. I mean, but like, do you get what I'm saying? Do you get what I'm saying? No, you get no idea I'm talking about. Yeah, you haven't been listening, have you?

George:

Iggy agrees with me more than he agrees with you 100%, big call 100%.

Robby:

How many times has Iggy been to your house? At least six.

George:

I haven't been there, I'm assuming he just goes and hangs out Does does?

Robby:

does Face call videos.

George:

Base call videos. I doubt 100%. Me and my ancestors and his ancestors kill goats the same way, no sheep. How was it?

Robby:

How do they do it? You do it too, me. Yeah, I'm vegan, you're barbaric, incredible me. Yeah, I'm vegan, you're. You're barbaric, you're carnival. Um, speaking of barbaric stuff, do you want to go hunting? Uh, yeah, do you go hunting? Yeah, my dad's got rifles?

George:

you won't. You won't even go camping. What do you mean? I won't go camping. I'm the kind of I will blow you away with the shit that I know out in the bush mate no alright, I shit that. I know out in the bush mate. No, all right, I'll be able to. Would you go camping? I'll be pitching tarps. Would you go? I'll be starting fires. You know, you ever seen-. What does that mean? It's going to get the sticks. I'm going to start a fire like this.

Robby:

You want to see this.

George:

I'll start a fire, just looking intensely at the wood.

Speaker 3:

Would you bring your son?

George:

maybe he's older than I am. Yeah, he's 10. Yeah, yeah, That'd be cool. Would seriously lock it in.

Robby:

I've got, I've got, I've got, I've got, I've got, I've got, I've got, I've got, I've got.

George:

I've got, I've got, I've got, I've got sick locations calling. He's in greece. Can you get him on the podcast? Absolutely, when he comes back? Seriously, yeah, when he comes back we'll get him on, but, um no, he, he's been going camping, honestly, since I was like five years old and hunting they go, you go samba hunting yeah, that's what.

Robby:

That's what I want to go.

George:

Yeah, good luck. Oh, there he goes. If you take dogs it's easy. But yeah, it's samba hunting like he's been going for what is it? 25, 30 years hunting. He's probably caught most 60 up. What?

Robby:

Dude. I know a guy what Dude? I know a guy that goes, probably goes. He hasn't been going now because he broke his arm, but prior to that he would go almost every week, yeah, and I his arm, but, uh, prior to that he would go almost every week, yeah, and I've seen him more times with the other than without.

George:

Very. Look, there's a good chance that they just all go camping and eat for three days straight and not. Oh yeah, good possibility. Yeah, he is like funny. My dad eats, beth. They eat better in the bush than what they do at home. Yeah, I'm, they eat some sick shit. Like I'm talking they've cooked everything spaghetti, marinara's oh my muffins like fucking next level they have. They'll bring a whole lamb. They'll put it on the spit like they grab, grab the battery operated, every gadget, everything you could think of camping.

George:

He's got it or he's used it. He'll tell you what's got it or he's used it. He'll tell you what's good, what's shit, what's not. It tends to the equipment. Like even his car he's got, he's bought credit to him. He bought a Land Rover Discovery and he put off-road tires on that. He used to take that up into the bush and then he bought That'd be costly In what way? Like repairs. He said the car was unstoppable. Yeah, he goes, it was a sick car and then he sold that. And then he bought a Defender. You know the boxy one.

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

George:

And he says that's fucking next level. He reckons that car's unstoppable. He's had four-wheel drivers his whole life. He used to buy the Nissan Patrols. He had three nissan who bought a land rover. First he did, and then you bought one. Yeah, he, he bought the. He bought his land rover.

George:

The discovery I drove it for the because he was overseas, I think when he bought it. I drove it for the first four, five, four, first, six weeks or something that he got it and then I was like fuck, this car's sick. And then I went and bought one and then when I bought one, as in, nicole had a car. Yeah, I didn't get to drive it ever again after that I just got devoted to the ranger or promoted to the ranger. Sick car, sick car, uh. And then, and then after that, um, yeah, then he the Defender and he's put off-road tyres on it. They're expensive cars. Most people buy those cars and they don't ever see. They only ever see asphalt. He actually used his car purpose built, put off-road tyres on both of them and everything's got all the bells and whistles. He reckons the Defender's unstoppable, really good car off-road. Pretty cool though, all the bells and whistles you reckon to the defenders, unstoppable.

Robby:

Really good car off-road. Pretty cool, huh.

George:

Yeah, very, very cool. How did we get onto that topic? Oh, going camping and shit. Yeah, hunting, hunting. Oh yeah, so he used to go. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe he killed a bit more, but when they used to go hunting.

Robby:

Yeah, it wasn't often that they'd come back. I'm pretty sure it's a tough thing to-. Yeah, this guy just doesn't stop walking, like I'm talking about. He goes, like he'll go for a 12-hour walk, yeah.

George:

And you can back to the there's some strategy behind it too. Yeah, yeah, he's like walking into wind. Yeah, yeah, he's doing that.

Robby:

He goes, they'll smell you, you're gone, you lose them. The wind changes, just go back, dude. So he was telling me about, so I was telling you, I went camping last weekend.

Robby:

The weekend before I ran into him the guy I was just talking about and he was there and that's how I found out he had a broken arm and he was telling me about a story and he's like, yeah, he's like he reckons one time. Because he reckons one time because he just goes and walks by himself and he reckons one time he was walking and he could hear something.

Speaker 3:

He's like you go into a killer mood, but you're also on edge.

Robby:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was in a gully, he's like, and I had my gun he goes. And all I heard was this loud hoof that echoed he goes. And I shat myself and I turned and I just saw this massive stag staring at me he goes. And I just looked and shot him straight. It was the best fucking thing that's ever happened. Oh my God, yeah.

George:

How funny. Barberic, barberic, yeah, but you're supposed to wear like bright colors as well in the bush? Yeah, he doesn't do that. Yeah, you're supposed to wear fluoro? Yeah, dude, I'll they're colorblind. Yeah, you're a colorblind, that's one part.

Robby:

Another part is like no one's going to shoot you. Yeah, I don't shoot anyone. Yeah, you shot a gun. Yeah.

George:

Yeah, I have A few couple of, not for many, many years, but yeah, I shot a few rifles, my dad's got rifles so I've shot them. Do you have a license? No, I don't.

Robby:

I should Do you have one Mine expired. I'm about to go again, do you?

Speaker 3:

want to go.

George:

Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah absolutely my dad's been busting them together.

Robby:

Yeah, I'll do it. Um, yeah, he'll be happy about that. Yeah, because then I'm going to get a rifle. But I shot a rifle probably a couple years back and you know what I didn't factor in this is going to sound stupid to everyone listening, but then factor in the sound. I was so focused on the recoil and aiming that I didn't even think about how loud.

George:

Yes, it was so loud so fucking loud like you watch the movies. It's yeah, dude, it's not a great presentation?

Robby:

no, not at all. And then I shot and then my you're like, it's like your whole sensory system shuts down. Then you're just like yeah, and you're like, and he's like did you hit the tree? I was like I don't know what the fuck this guy did you hit the tree. I was like I don't know what the fuck Sky did you hit the tree? Imagine?

Speaker 3:

military shooting. Yeah, I used to do that when I was in the military.

Robby:

You were in the military.

George:

Yeah, I did the military service for one year. Is it conscription? You have to do it? Yeah, we have to do it. What year?

Speaker 3:

In Mongolia.

George:

Yeah in Mongolia, how Mongolia. Yeah in Mongolia, how old do you have to be? 12. Over 18. So you just have to do one year at any stage over 18?

Speaker 3:

From 18 to 25, you have to do it for one year. Yeah, it was like three years and it's shit. It pays nothing. It pays like 20 bucks, do you?

George:

live on site? Yeah, and they feed you? Yeah. Is it like full-on marching Is?

Speaker 3:

it like full-on marching. Yeah, I was actually in the marching. What's it called?

George:

Banter, banter, you play the trumpet the drums. Tell us dude you can't just drop this in the middle of a podcast. So were they teaching you proper?

Speaker 3:

combat. Like to go to war, not like hand-to-hand combat. A of shooting, crawling, all that shit like in the bushes for two weeks straight. Just like camping and what camping? Yeah that?

Robby:

ah, that's why you have to go camping military like shooting I don't know if I'd go camping with you out there. In all this went from killing sheep to kill people as well.

George:

Yeah, they do that in greece as well. Kill people absolutely and shake that's part that that in Greece as well. Kill people Absolutely. That's what you do to get your pen license.

Speaker 3:

In Mongolia actually the people go wolf hunting. Yeah right, that's pretty strange. They kill a lot of livestock because the livestock are just open in the wild.

Robby:

There's a lot of pests like they're a federalist pest because there's too many yeah, like the wolves start eating too much so they have to get like.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, so they gotta reduce them.

Robby:

Yeah, so, like random guys just come up and just start killing wolves I don't know if this is legal, but I've heard of people doing the same thing with kangaroos Supposedly kangaroos.

George:

Oh yeah, they're a pest. Yeah yeah, you can go and shoot kangaroos. I did that years ago. When was it? I don't even know how I would have been 12, 13. Went to like New South Wales with my dad and his friend and his family friend. That was yeah, same age. Yeah, same age.

Robby:

Yeah, they went pig hunting yeah, so that's another one. Yeah, wild hogs yeah, they're pests as well.

George:

There's too many, you can just go shoot them yeah, yeah, you're allowed to just shoot them and um, just leave them there that's barbaric.

Robby:

Huh, there's a great um, there's a great instagram page called nature is metal. Yeah, and it just shows you some of the most barbaric nature, like animals like full brought, like you'll see an animal completely devour another animal. Yeah, and it's like that's the wild. You know, that's what happens if you get caught out by the enemy.

George:

That's it. Yeah, we don't have that. Would you have done? It's very different culturally, isn't it? Those like, even in Greece, everyone has to go to the army as well. If I stayed in Greece, I don't know if that's now because I'm older- you were born in Greece. No, because I'm first generation. So if I stay in Greece for longer than three months, they can conscript me. They can conscript me, they will. I don't think they are now. Fuck, am I ill?

Robby:

They'll look at me and just go just leave. Just leave, don't even come back.

George:

But before that, yeah, they can do that, but they don't have that here, they have that, yeah.

Robby:

Well, we're young, we don't have deep roots. Australia Doesn't, do you?

George:

know what I mean. Yeah, interesting. I don't think they'd ever be able to bring that in, not culturally now. Nah, they're going to serve a year in the military.

Robby:

But I feel like I'd like to. I don't know. I just feel like do you know what I mean? I would do a hell week, help week. Yeah, you know, like that, you just want to shoot guns for a week. Nah, that's the new york, that's what they do. I feel like I would do well in that environment if you like hierarchy, like military works.

Speaker 3:

I don't like hierarchy, so I hated the military higher hierarchy.

Robby:

There's hierarchy, especially in the military, but there's hierarchy everywhere, especially in the military. But where is there? Yeah, because you can't talk back, etc.

Speaker 3:

And you get beat up if you're talking shit.

Robby:

But where is there no hierarchy Like where are we sitting? No, we're all one Nature.

Speaker 3:

Grass. It's a lot extreme in the military. You can get beat up, you can get into those jail things if you're like.

Robby:

A cell.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, a cell.

Robby:

Yeah, it's called Like they put you in jail.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, if you're like doing shit stuff, don't do shit stuff stuff the whole thing is discipline.

Robby:

Yeah, isn't it? Yeah, it's discipline, it's. You wake up at the same time every day. Yeah, so you're gonna eat at the same time every day. You're gonna do what we tell you to every day, that's right, and they're also.

George:

I want that too. They want people, obedient people that are going to follow orders, men with power.

Speaker 3:

They use their power because they have it in the wrong way. That is the military like, even if you're a general or whatever. It is like I've seen like generals and stuff, like because I used to play the horse, horse head violin like something, that traditional instrument, I used to go horse head violin. Yeah, it's like, uh, google that shit right now.

Robby:

Yeah, let's not try and play this off like it's a normal instrument.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, it's actually not a normal instrument.

Robby:

Of course it's not. Look at the name Horsehead. Is it a horsehead?

Speaker 3:

Yeah, it has a horsehead Like a carved wooden horsehead, not a real horsehead, like the original one had an actual horsehead, but nowadays it does okay. I've had a picture of iggy paying it as well is that a horse?

Robby:

is that it?

Speaker 3:

yeah, that's the instrument used to play that. Yeah, I used to play it is that a mongolian guy probably.

George:

Oh it is.

Robby:

It says mongolia is that traditional yeah um, yeah, I like them.

Speaker 3:

I liked what you were it actually sounds very rock, like metal rocky what it sounds cool as fuck.

Robby:

I liked what you were wearing when you came to george's birthday oh yeah yeah, that was cool. You do you remember when he was there?

Speaker 3:

how could?

Robby:

I forget yeah I loved it. I don't know, you had your first festival. Yeah, oh, is that why yeah?

Speaker 3:

Oh, okay, that's why I? Left early.

George:

Was that a Mongolian festival?

Speaker 3:

Yeah, yeah, sick, oh yeah. So back to the topic. Like even generals, the hierarchy still exists. They still like kick whoever's like low ranked yeah, it's kind of stupid Like they're like, they still kick whoever's low-ranked. It's kind of stupid. They're never grown-up boys.

Robby:

I think it's everywhere, though. It exists everywhere, absolutely hierarchy. Yeah, it exists everywhere.

George:

It's like there's a hierarchy in my company. I mean like in the extreme way, yeah, it's not going to be to that level.

Robby:

It's like corruption Corruption's everywhere.

Speaker 3:

If you think there's no corruption here it's everywhere, like if you think where there's no corruption here, oh, it's australia everywhere.

Robby:

It's the worst here. It's not the worst, it's not the word, it's pretty mild to you. It's not, it's pretty mild, it's just less accessible. Do you know what I mean? Like you have to be someone or get some shady shit going on. Of course, you just have to be someone to have access. Like it's not accessible to everyone, whereas if you go to like less, like third world countries, etc. It is way more accessible. Yeah, that's all it is. Like you can get into it easier.

George:

You know what's. You know what is accessible, what? The subscribe button? It's pretty accessible. It's in the top right-hand corner. You can tap it at any time. I can subscribe to this channel on any platform. Which platforms are we on? Just so people know YouTube, of course. Spotify, of course. Apple, of course. Google, of course. I don't even know if Google had a spot podcasting. I don't even know if Google had a spot podcasting. I don't think I've ever used it. Why wouldn't you Exactly? You're just going to use probably Spotify or Apple, wouldn't you?

Robby:

Yeah, and if you're like buying a Samsung, why would you?

George:

Why would you, why would you do that to yourself? Why would you do that? But if you do decide to do that, you can still subscribe, which is a great thing. It doesn't remove that button for you and by subscribing, it helps us grow the channel, it helps us reach more people and we can change more lives.

Robby:

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George:

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