Million Dollar Days

Life Lessons in Overcoming Adversity

• Robby Choucair and George Passas • Season 1 • Episode 83

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Life's defining moments happen at the crossroads of adversity. When faced with challenges, do we surrender to circumstances or transform them into fuel for our journey forward?

This episode dives deep into the psychology of resilience through personal stories and practical wisdom. We explore how a young athlete's demotion to the B-team became a powerful life lesson about proving your worth through actions rather than complaints. This microcosm of character development reveals the same pattern seen in champions across every field – they didn't succeed despite adversity; they succeeded because of it.

We tackle the uncomfortable truth about business success and personal achievement: if someone is getting results you aren't, they're doing something you're not. This brutal honesty frames our discussion about working smart versus working hard, filtering advice from the right people, and recognizing when well-meaning voices become distracting noise rather than helpful guidance.

The conversation takes fascinating turns through memory psychology, business leadership challenges, and the temporal nature of our problems – how today's overwhelming crisis often becomes tomorrow's forgotten footnote. We share vulnerable moments from our own entrepreneurial journeys, including near-business collapse during COVID and the constant feeling of not progressing quickly enough despite outsized efforts.

Whether you're facing rejection, business challenges, parenting dilemmas, or personal setbacks, this episode offers both the tough love and practical mindset shifts needed to transform adversity from something that happens to you into something that happens for you. The choice in those pivotal moments determines not just what you achieve, but who you become.

Robby:

Rollin', rollin' rollin'. If you see the red square turn off on your camera, just let me know.

George:

Red square Fuck On the screen. You want me to put my glasses on?

Robby:

Massive screen, massive screen what's?

George:

Oh, that one down there. No on the screen, oh mate it's asking a lot, asking a lot.

Robby:

Sorry, yeah, why don't you turn it?

George:

on. Hello Welcome, greetings and salutations Cool. Oh, is that it? He's not staying? No, no.

Robby:

Go work. Someone's got to All right.

George:

Thanks, sam. Yeah, so I was saying my son got into the head football triads and then he got into the B team and he's an A-grade player. Then he got into the B team and he's an A grade player, but he got into the B team and he's pretty bummed about it. I was like, good, good, I'm glad you got into the B team, show them what you're made of. But you know how adversity can often bring people down or not. So sort of focusing the conversation around that.

George:

Oh we're not rolling. No, no, no, no.

Robby:

Oh, no, no I wasn't talking now. I'll go into a bit more detail. Yeah, cool, let's go.

George:

Yeah.

Robby:

Let's go.

George:

Yeah sick. So I want to open with last episode I mentioned that you were a really bad podcaster, and this episode I want to open up with saying that you're probably the best podcaster.

Robby:

Look, you're sending mixed signals.

George:

No, you know, I just wanted to reiterate that because you know it obviously wasn't true what I was saying. I think you are the best, better than me.

Robby:

I appreciate that.

George:

And I just want to reiterate that.

Robby:

I did cry for seven nights Until this moment, since that podcast came out From then until this one. Make me happy Every single night. Yeah, I think that took some people back. What's up, George?

George:

Woke up on the wrong side of the bed, I don't know. Woke up on the wrong side of the bed. Yeah Well, I mean, it's very relevant in life Negativity and what's it called, scarcity, mindsets, all that sort of stuff. About three weeks ago I was coming home. My son was playing football. He's very good at football. He's definitely in the top five players in our local club team which I coach Not being biased, but he's definitely there Just before you go on to this whole thing.

Robby:

Do you reckon you're biased?

George:

In far as how good he is. No no, if he was shit, I'd tell him. I would say no, he's no good.

George:

No no, but do you think he so I think he's a better footballer than he is a basketballer. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, so I look at him playing basketball. He's not the best person on the team, maybe when he was younger he's very naturally gifted at sports, yep. And now what's happened is a lot of the kids have caught up because they've gotten older, stronger, faster, and then he's sort of come down a little bit in that regard. So he hasn't maintained that level. So I've definitely seen that, even in the football team. But he's definitely in the top five because he plays, he trains well like, he tries, he wants to get better. So he actually is getting better each and every time.

Robby:

Yeah, so okay, because I've seen you know how every parent says my baby's cute, I'm not that.

George:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Robby:

No, but I've seen it happen with sports as well. Like my son's a gun footy player. Yeah, yeah, and then you go and you watch their son and you're like dude. I see it a lot with.

George:

Yeah, and then it's like I don't follow soccer but in the local soccer club my family's involved in it and whatnot. There's always kids that go overseas to a camp to like a man U camp or Liverpool camp or whatever, like, oh, my kid's the next, like your kid's not doing shit, they're not going to get selected for anything, I know, but I'm just saying a lot of people, though, think their kids are a lot better than they are, and I don't look at it like that.

George:

If he's no good, like I would say, hey, you need to practice, you need to be better. He's not the best, like last year. He's been getting the B and F every single year, except last year he missed out. I'm like good, you didn't deserve it. Like you got other players got it. You should work harder. You should drive you to a degree. Anyway, back to what I was saying Does it drive you? I feel that it does. Yeah, I've tried to instill that in him as well from a young age.

George:

What happened was at school they were doing their selections for the football team. They had an A and a B team. The B team obviously the less skilled players. Look, they only were assessing the kids off two trainings. It was a bit hard for them to get a true grasp on how good all the kids were, and they did say there will be movements up and down once we play a few games. Anyway, he got into the B team and I'm like okay, good, I'm glad. Now it's up to you to show them A, that you're good enough, or B even just yourself. Are you good enough? Do you want to play in the A's or are you just going to say no? No, I'm happy with the B's. What's going to drive you in this moment?

George:

And he was a little bit bummed that he didn't get in because he is a good player, and I said, well cool, now's the opportunity. Now you're the one that needs to show them that you need to be going and stepping up. So the last few weeks is because I coach him at local football too, and his team and this is outside with his school sorry, just to clarify, it's his school team and he's been doing it. He's been practicing, he's been training hard, he's in games. Like the coach one day said to him, he goes if any of you want to have a chat with me on how you can do better and be better, and he's like, yep, cool. He went up to the coach at the end of training, said yes, what do I need to do?

Robby:

so you're not. You're not the coach.

George:

No, this is for his school now. Sorry, Just to clarify. So he's school selection, not the club selection, which is the local footy.

Robby:

He's not playing local footy, he's playing local footy as well.

George:

So he's playing local footy and he's playing it with a school team, okay, but I was picturing, oh sorry, yeah, yeah, sorry, it wasn he'd be in the A's. That would have completely predicted my first question yeah, so no, it is for school. It was for school. Yeah, so he got into the B's and now last night I come home, he's like Dad, I'm like what he's like guess what? I said what he's like got into the A's and I'm like, yes, you fucking this bullshit, I should be in that A's.

George:

I can't believe they dropped me and just been pissed off, had a bad attitude, not supportive, none of that shit. Or you can go okay, great, well, I'm going to do the best I can possibly do and I'm going to show them that I'm good enough to be playing in the A's and I go. It doesn't just start with your skills. There's a whole range of things that they're going to look at as a coach. This is what I would look at if I was their coach. I'd be looking at attitude, I'd be looking at leadership. I'd be looking at are you listening when the coach is talking? Are you mucking around? Are you there to play? Are you there to win? These are things that will all contribute. I said you need to show that to your coaches, that you're willing and wanting to play.

George:

He was able to do that and he got into the A team, or he said he got into the A's last night and it got me thinking like I've seen so many instances, and especially with the young kids. When I was two weeks ago we got pumped by like 50 points the kids did and it's funny, it's like at halftime the body language with all the children they're like their heads are down. It's like they didn't want to be there. They knew they were getting pumped. It was hard game. They couldn't get the ball, they couldn't get clean kicks. The other team was just much better than them. I said to them I said do you guys want to go home? Should I go walk over to the coach and say, listen, we've had enough guys, you've clearly won this? And said listen, we've had enough guys, you've clearly won this is you?

George:

coaching. Yeah, this was me coaching. I was saying this to about 18, 20 kids. I said should I walk over to the coach and say we give up? They're all like, oh, no, no, no. I said okay, good, because you haven't lost. Yes, you're 50 points down. Cool, come back, Go and win the quarter. Just start there, Just win the quarter. I got their spirits up a little bit more and took it from there, but it was a really good lesson for them. They got kicked in the face. Metaphorically, they were kicked in the face. So you didn't kick them in the face. No, I didn't, I wanted to because they weren't fucking listening. They weren't taking the coach's direction, Obviously. That's why they lost. Nothing to do with me.

Robby:

Can't have a current affair. Come and knock on their door, so like kicking 10-year-olds.

George:

We've said worse things than that. Yes, than kicking 10-year-olds, have we? Yeah, I reckon, I reckon we have Hopefully. Yeah, I hope so.

George:

I hope I've upset a lot of people. So it was good to see no, and like the heads were down, but it did bring me back to thinking okay, well, that happens to you as a kid, it keeps happening to you. You keep losing, you keep losing. How do you grow up? What happens when you lose when you grow up? How do people combat that? And why do? When you see champions champions are champions because they've gone through difficult things and come out on top. It's not because they just kept winning and no one ever beat them. There's always a champion that has a story of how it was really hard, how he never had a home, they didn't have any weight, so he had to pick up bricks, Like there was things that they had to overcome to become a champion. And, yeah, it was just an interesting scenario to see him go through it. But then also think about well, how do adults go through this too?

George:

yeah, adversity is a privilege yeah, but people don't see it as that. It's their it's. Some people make it their story. You know it's that's, that's what defines them yeah, that's, it's victim, right?

Robby:

Yeah, absolutely, it's very victim. Alex Volkanovski Alexander Volkanovski, I should call him. Talk about him like I know him. Yeah, he won the featherweight title back and he said he's like adversity is a privilege. He goes, he all ruled me out, he all doubted me, blah, blah, blah. He's like adversity is a privilege because you get the chance to come back Like you get the chance to prove everyone wrong. It's a privilege, and not just that. I think everyone faces some level of adversity and you're probably thinking oh, you know, the prince doesn't apply, they do, it's just different. Yeah, like the adversity for them is the mental battle of I will never get to Go to Coles. Yeah, dude, that's real, 100%. There are people who say I can't remember who it was.

George:

Most famous people. Tell me if Justin Bieber was here and he's like look, I'm just going to go to Coles and get some milk.

Robby:

Yeah, yeah, can't do that. You can't do that. It's like I cannot. It might have been Mbappe the soccer player, the French dude, and he's like I hate that I can't walk down the street. Yeah, like it absolutely bothers me that I can't just go and have dinner, like you know, in a public place. Yeah, because we get bombarded A hundred.

George:

Can I take a photo? Can I take a photo, like every time you go and pick up? That would be annoying, absolutely. It would be Absolutely. Can you imagine episode 200 when we can't walk down the street? Yeah, no one knows us Can't walk down the street now, shit, oh, can I just say something funny Just on that?

George:

I was at a cafe this morning. I went to a construction site. I was at a cafe there on a computer and like bro, if you're listening to this, I'm sorry he's, he's on a computer, he's there. He's like george, george, and like I turn around, he's like oh, hey, man, how are you like? Yeah, good, yourself, as they said. It's like yeah, it's good. I said, oh, do you keep him busy? He's like yeah, yeah, yeah, going well, going well, just doing a bit of quoting and stuff like that. I had no idea who this guy was. Man, no idea, no idea. Even like Angelo was with me, shook his hand, said hey, g'day, how you going, blah, blah, blah. Grabbed our coffee, grabbed something to eat and then left Say, cool, man, good to see you, take care. Walked out. I got Angelo, I go. I got no idea who that was.

Robby:

No idea, okay, okay so you left without knowing who that was, I left without knowing who that was.

George:

But the way he was talking to me is like I knew him for 10 years. So who's the fault? I'm guessing he's come I don't know. I mean, I could have asked, I could have said hey, sorry man, I've got no idea who you are. But then it's a little bit embarrassing too. What if I should know who he is?

Robby:

Okay, one time I was going to Cairns, I think, and I got out of the airport. I got out of the taxi at the airport Uber Taxi, please Come on Got out of the Uber at the airport and a guy I used to work with was there and I looked up and I recognized him.

Robby:

I looked at him you know when he takes a moment and he looked, looked at me and I could tell he recognized me and I'm thinking, where do I know him? And then, oh, yes, hey man, how are you? Blah, blah, blah. And then he shook my hand and he spoke for like 30 seconds and then he goes remind me, man, where do I know you from? Yeah, what you asshole, what do you mean? Like we, you've been talking to me, yeah, um, and I said, dude, we used to work together. He goes oh, that's right, jealous, craig, yeah, and I'm like, yes, like this guy.

George:

Yeah, um, anyway, yeah, so that happens to me quite often, though, and my wife always laughs, like when I tell her it's like we'll walk past hey george, how are you? It's like I go to. I've got no idea who that was, because I get a lot of people coming to a fence.

George:

I just To a fence. Events, not a fence. No events, events. So a lot of them from events. Some people just follow and look at me and they think they may have commented on a picture and I respond. They're like oh yeah, I'm the guy you know, funky pants 84.

Robby:

And it's like Do you reckon, um, okay, that's a question for you do you think that it is a them thing or a you thing?

George:

because you just said it happens a lot it's probably a me thing from the perspective of I can't. I just can't retain people's names like that, even faces. No, that's the thing. It wasn't even a familiar face, like I didn't know this guy, like I didn't know him well enough, if I don't know him well enough by face, by name thing. It wasn't even a familiar face, like I didn't know this guy, like I didn't know him well enough, if I don't know him well enough by face, by name, by nothing. He didn't even look familiar to me.

Robby:

But don't you think someone who because, like, I just got off a call with a lady before and she goes I remembered her. She came to an event, I spoke to her at the event and she said I'm not ready now, but when I'm ready I'll get in touch. And I said sure, and then she got in touch. Awesome, and I recall. Yeah, so good. And I called her and she's like I don't know if you can remember me, but I met you at an event, blah, blah, blah. And I said I do. I recall we spoke at the back of the room and she's like oh, wow, don't get anyone coming to me saying, acting like they know me from an event, Like people will say I saw you live, Perhaps, perhaps, Blah, blah, blah. But if they come and they say like hey, George man, how you doing, how you been, there probably is an element of that too, Like it could be.

George:

I often happen to say from example it'll be a subcontractor that works for me, It'll be his employee.

George:

So it's like I don't know them, but I know them. Do you know what I mean? They're never gonna remember. That's what I mean. Like I don't remember, and I get that happen a fair bit too. And I heard, I read somewhere that you can only remember like 100 or 200 people or something like it's a whole village mentality you can remember your village of about. You know 200 people, their names, who they are, what they do, something like that I think it's 150 people, yeah.

Robby:

1,500 faces yeah. So it's something like that.

George:

There is that thing, and I reckon I'm capped at that because I've hit that threshold. Dude, don't be the 151, because then you're fucked. I just won't remember it because I've got so much going through my head at any given moment that it's like that's fake though, that that's old.

Robby:

I don't know, it probably is, but I'm putting my hat on you, reckon you don't know more than 150 people that you can name. No, I probably could.

George:

I probably could, but there's got to be a threshold. There's got to be the 184th, like someone there, I don't remember you. It's got to get to a point and it's not like I've seen this person for a while 's gone sideways but it's not like. Obviously I haven't seen this guy. Often don't know who he is like, didn't recognize a face. So there is a level of that somewhere. Who knows?

Robby:

do. Yeah, I'm trying to work out. If it's a like, whose side is it on? Like, are people approaching in a way they shouldn't, or potentially not recalling conversations that you should.

George:

Don't know. Yeah, of course you don't know. I don't know. I reckon I mean, if it was meaningful, we wouldn't be talking about it. Yeah, but if the guy had enough of an impact on me in that moment that we spoke, surely I would have remembered him. Yeah, that's fair call. Do you know what I mean? Otherwise, it was probably just another conversation. Or maybe I was like he was with someone. Mean, otherwise it was probably just another conversation, or maybe I was like he was with someone, like there's got to be something. He, he must have been. I don't think he was an employee. He must have been a boss of some sort, because he had his laptop there and he was working at a cafe. So I'm guessing he was a business owner of some sort. Anyway, we're not going to figure it out here. Yeah, how?

Robby:

are you going to handle that in future? Are you just going to do that every time? Most yeah to be honest.

George:

There is a lot of you out there that come up to me and say, george, how are you, how you been? You'd start like. You talk to me, like I know you and I've got, I'm just polite. I'm polite like good man has a family. You're good, I like your dog. That's a cute dog. How long you had that for? Haven't seen you for ages. Look, I gotta go.

Robby:

But great chat, let's catch up soon, yeah call me, because I can't call you, because I've got no idea who you are.

George:

No, people will start calling me out on that and they'll just go. You don't know who I am, do you? I'll say no.

Robby:

Well, you know what? If you listen to this and you see George, and you say hey. And he says hey, say what's my name. Yeah, straight up.

George:

Yeah, Just say what's my name.

Robby:

Moon Bucks. What's my avian? I'll probably remember that you know, and just quiz him and see if he can see if he recalls, see if he matter, See if he matter shit.

George:

Here's the thing like you meet so many people, so many faces, so many hands you shake so many people you speak to on a day-to-day basis. I don't know I think it's how I managed to do so much. It's because I obviously don't retain an important information. I don't mean this as an offensive thing to anyone. If I don't remember, you, don't take it personally. I think it's just okay. That transaction of me talking to you for 30 seconds is done and it's gone. Now I need to focus on the next thing, or I need to focus on this. I need to focus on this. Maybe it's a level of that.

Robby:

Yeah, I think there's two sides to it. I, I personally, I don't believe. I think memory is less about retention and more about attention.

George:

Yes, yeah, I think I could definitely be more attentive at things like that, for sure, yes, I think I could definitely be more attentive at things like that.

Robby:

For sure, I think most people like don't remember stuff and it's like you weren't paying attention. Yeah, I agree, do you know what I mean? There was this one time Because you know that whole thing about the money Like, have you heard the concept of? Oh, I don't remember people's names?

George:

Even you say this on stage as soon as I meet you, you become bro pal yeah keep your name tag on Most people, that rule applies to them.

Robby:

Yeah, oh God, I forget names. I forget names. It's like, hey, george, you're going to meet five people in the next five minutes. If you remember all five names, I'm going to give you a million bucks. Yeah, you're going to remember all five names 100% yeah 100%.

George:

Because all of a sudden, you're like exactly what I was going to say. Next, I went to my son's orientation because he started a new school. This was earlier in the year. It was parents there, people he was going to be in class with.

George:

I thought, all right, I'm going to make a conscious effort to remember everyone's name that I meet. I don't know why I did it. I just thought I'm going to make the conscious effort. We're going to be around these people every now and then I'm going to try and remember about the very least You're going to be able to say hey, gary, yeah, exactly right, that's what I did.

George:

I went through and I was like every time I shook someone's hand and like, hi, it's like he's like, hey, I'm name. And, funny enough, one of the guys was Travis. Shout out to Travis, shout out to Trav, anyway, but it's funny because it also left an impact on them and they remembered me because I was engaging in the conversation, I was asking questions about them and it was like, okay, there's a level here of us connecting and me remembering these people. And that's the one and only time I met that bloke and I still remember his name, and there were others there too. But yeah, I made that conscious effort and I think more often than not I don't make that conscious effort unless I need to. So yeah, I do believe. I think it's a very good skill If you can remember and retain people's names and just things about them. I think that's a really powerful skill in the future, for sure.

Robby:

Yeah, I also think you can't do it for everyone. Yeah, exactly right, I can remember particular things about particular people. That's like like I can tell you the birthday of someone that I worked with at a course in eight years ago. Yeah, right, yeah.

George:

There you go. Weird shit like that. Something stuck about it.

Robby:

Yeah.

George:

Just like About that person, about that date yeah, something happened on their birthday, yeah.

Robby:

And I can like, I'll recall, like that date.

George:

Yeah.

Robby:

It's imprinted in my brain forever.

George:

Yeah, well, very sideways that conversation, we were talking about adversity. So, to bring it back, have you been through times where it could have been? You could have gone one way or the other.

Robby:

All the time?

George:

Yeah. Do you want to share an example? Yesterday? Okay, go for it. I walked into your office, oh yeah.

Robby:

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Do you want to share an example Yesterday? Okay, go for it.

George:

I walked into your office. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Do you want to share that story? I could Sure Without details Details Without specifics sorry, yeah.

Robby:

So and really cool story, by the way, because I think it's applicable to everyone- yeah, everyone, yeah, so I, I I think there's a lot of people can relate to this but I constantly feel like, and I constantly feel like I should be further along, constantly, like always, always, always. And I saw a really cool post today by andy frisella that said if you feel like you should always be further along than what you are, you're on on the right path. I like that. That's cool. We can talk about timing, but yeah, I constantly feel like I'm further along. And so many times I see, if you said to me like, do you think you're a smart bloke? I do. I think I'm smart. I constantly update my knowledge. I'm always learning new stuff. I have a really good way of critically thinking about things. I'm not a fucking idiot.

George:

Put simply, I'm not saying I'm a genius, but I'm not an idiot and you're a practitioner in the sense that you put in the work.

Robby:

Yes, I do the?

George:

do you work on Sundays? You work late on a day. You're here early. So yes, there's that element of it as well. I think that's important too.

Robby:

That's another factor. Like I feel like I Outwork people, yeah, I feel like I work more. And then I go and hear a story about someone who just made half a million bucks and I'm like, wow, yeah, like you know what I mean and it's like full credit to the person who's winning. Like full credit, yeah, absolutely. But it just makes me think, like what the fuck am I doing? Like this person who? Not that I'm better than anyone else, but if I had to choose who I thought was smarter, I would definitely say me yeah, if you were picking a team and you had to pick yourself.

George:

But the scoreboard says otherwise.

Robby:

Because it's like I'm saying I'm the better player, but the scoreboard they're beating me If you take that as a scoreboard, which I think personally in the world of business money is a scoreboard. It's a very you're in business most of the time to make money.

George:

Yeah, okay. So then let's be really critical of yourself. Yeah, okay. So what do you think you're not doing? Is there something that you're not doing, then? Because we mentioned it the other day, I go, well, what? Okay, because this person was in a completely different field of business, yeah, and I said, well, there's-.

Robby:

It's not necessarily about this particular-. No, that's right.

George:

Yeah, it happens all the time you look at those certain things, and I've done. The same thing, man, I'm over the hill. I the same thing, man, I'm over the hill I'm fucked. I'm 40. And I still have this conversation with myself.

George:

But then it's like oh look, people look at me and go, fuck, I wish, I wish I could be. I can't wait to be where you are one day. I'm like, okay, thank you, but is that like me Again? Five years ago, if you looked at yourself and where you are today and what you're doing today, you know be like fuck, that's, that'd be sick 100 so there's a couple things.

George:

A do you, do you just sort of bring it back down to reality and go okay, there's a level of um just always sorry. What's a saying? Go um always grateful, never satisfied. No, okay, so yeah is. Is there something, then, that you're not doing? Yeah there has to be. That's what I mean. Yeah, because I look at it too and I compare myself to say somewhere in the country is the best builder making the most money? And it's not me, Do you know, what I mean, do you?

Robby:

think the best builder makes the most money.

George:

No, not always. Yes, actually, good point. But somewhere in the country there's a builder making the most money yes, yes, the most Like he's number one. Yeah, and I'm not number one, and that annoys me and I'm like well, what's he Like? I think I'm smarter. And again, I haven't met this person, whoever it is, whoever's at number one. I think I'm better. I think I'm smarter. I think I'll outwork them. I'm better at what I do. I teach other builders Like where's the break, Where's it go? Boom, you're now number one. What am I doing wrong?

Robby:

So clearly, again I'm doing something wrong, yeah, but then so two things. One, I don't let myself go to the, but you know what? Like you, what was I doing yesterday when you were walking out?

George:

Working.

Robby:

No, what was I doing? Think about it carefully.

George:

Oh, you were sitting there pondering.

Robby:

Yeah, sitting not at my desk, not at your desk, away from your desk.

George:

On another chair Staring at my desk, looking at the desk.

Robby:

Yeah.

George:

You're ready to fly, kick it or something.

Robby:

Yeah, I'm trying to work out what I'm doing wrong and I don't go into a place in that particular situation. Pain moves you. Yeah, you weren't feeling sorry for yourself. I wasn't feeling sorry for myself, I was trying to sit in it. So it bothers me enough to fucking do something about it, because you're either going to do something about it or not. Right, and it's. It has to be something you're doing, like, especially in my case, like I sit there, like it's going to be something I'm doing and it's not the.

Robby:

I know people who've never read a book in their life and probably yeah. And it's like, okay, that's not to say don't read books, but it's to say okay, but it's to say okay, cool, that's not the thing that's going to, that's not the thing you're spending time on. The wrong action Do you know what I mean? And it's like, okay, cool, what's the right action? Because, at the end of the day, the results, the result how you get there is relevant as long as you're not doing anything that's outside of your moral and ethical framework. The results, the result.

George:

And if someone's getting a result that you're not, they are clearly doing something, you aren't. It was funny. I saw this video yesterday and I was going to send it to you because, again, it was on the topic of what we were talking about yesterday and it was saying how, oh, this lady was on there and she's saying oh, this is what I do and this is how I make six figures a month. And she starts saying she goes. I'm not just to clarify, I'm not selling you a course, I'm not telling you to do anything. I'm just telling you my story and what I've done to get out of where I was. And now I'm the provider for my family and I do this and I do this.

George:

And she starts going off into the. I do ads for people, I do this. I've learned this from YouTube. I went and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah now anyway. So what's the difference between what she's doing and what you're doing from a digital ad perspective? Because that's what she was primarily saying. She goes I create ads for people, make them hundreds of thousands of dollars and, as a result, they pay me hundreds of thousands of dollars Not just one person, multiple people per month and she goes. This is a way I'm going to show you, because you can go and do it too, but you just need to self-educate and do this and do this and do this. I should have probably sent it to her. What was her name? I have no idea. I don't think she was an influencer of any sort. She was just telling her story and how she did it. She goes I'm not selling you shit. I'm just telling you which is a strategy. It could very well be, but she didn't have anything to sell.

Robby:

Yeah, no fair. So she wasn't selling education.

George:

No, she wasn't selling. She goes. I don't educate, Don't call me, don't DM me. I'm not doing that, I'm just telling you what I do. Maybe it was like a rant, because people keep saying, oh, it's life's hard, I can't make money. She's like I make six figures a month it was interesting to see that and then go. I don't think this woman knows something you don't. Obviously she does, but I don't think her ability to do what you do is any different. Where's the break? Where's that difference that she's making six and you're at one? Do you know what I mean? Where's that difference that she's making six and you're?

Robby:

at one. Do you know?

George:

what I mean.

Robby:

Where's that difference? Where's that break? Yeah, I don't know.

George:

Is it a matter of you know? They say that consistency. It feels like nothing's happening until everything happens.

Robby:

You won't know until it does.

George:

That's right yeah.

Robby:

That's right. Yeah, that's right.

George:

But you know you giving up or you're not trying new things, no, that's not even.

Robby:

That's not, you know, like pick multiple questions A, b or C. That's not on the list.

George:

So you know the other end of the spectrum of what you're saying. You know you're trying to use that adversity. You're trying to use that adversity. You're trying to use that pain to propel you forward. The other thing is it could own you and go. Well, fuck this man. I could go and make 200 grand. I'm going to go work for one of the leading marketing companies in the country. I'm going to go apply for a job at Meta. I know their ads inside out. I know AI. I know this. I know this. I'm going to go get a job at Google. I'll make my 200 grand a year.

George:

Be, done, be comfortable, have a car, get a one and a half holidays a year, just give up. Not give up, but not ever have the yacht, not ever have the private jet, not ever have those fancy things. Just going to live comfortably and then own that, be your story and look, not that there's anything wrong with that. Yeah, like for people that want to have that story, you know you can definitely have that and live a comfortable life. But if you do want more and you want to challenge yourself and you want to be the best and you want to be these things, it's like well, cool, you've got to work for it. Because here's the other thing that my son said last night he goes well and he goes.

George:

I'm a bit nervous now he goes because I was the best player in the B's team. He goes now I'm not in the A's. He was like this kid's really good, like he's such a good footballer. I said good, good Now. Now's your opportunity to outwork him, now's your opportunity to be training with the best and working with the best and becoming better yourself. And I said this year you're up against other players that are good. This is at local football. Now You're up against other players. If you don't work harder than everything and everyone else to get the kicks, to get the goals, to get this, to get this and to get the runs on the board, you're not going to be in the BNF again this year. You got to work for it. Some kids yes, they're naturally talented. They get that. But eventually, if they don't keep working and keep training and keep improving themselves, if you just outwork them, you'll eventually become better.

Robby:

What's natural talent?

George:

I don't know, they're just good at it without really putting in a huge amount of effort. I would say From a sporting perspective I'm talking now They've just got some skills, Physically, Physically, yeah, maybe mentally to a degree being able to run, push harder. There'd be that element in sport. You reckon mental is In sport, it's out of that Hold on.

Robby:

You reckon mental is talent. Do you reckon it's trained?

George:

No, I think there has to be a level of trained there.

Robby:

Mental for sure I would say it's 99% trained.

George:

And this is where I feel I've influenced my son from a young age, because I've always put this down, his I've always seeded this with him you want something, go out there, you've got to work for it. I can't run for you, I can't kick for you, I can't yell for you. This isn't just in sport. I'm just using sport as a way of explaining it, especially for him, because that's what he loves at the moment. You want these things, you have to go out and work for it. He sees me get up in the morning at 5.30 every day because he's up early too. So he sees me getting up every morning and I'm either going to the gym or I'm going to work. So subconsciously that has that will have an effect on him. I remember when my dad was working and I was a young kid and I remember looking outside and it's dark and he's going to work. Fuck, my dad gets up so early. I can't believe he goes to work at that time. So that's even been instilled in me from a young age. But him pushing through those difficult things, running harder something he does, which I think he's got some great. And again, I'm trying to be. I am unbiased. I am, but you might not think it when people listening to me talk. But if he's not good at something, I'll tell him. I said, hey, you're not as good as this person or you're not doing these things, so don't expect the results.

George:

He does things at the games that show true leadership, like he'll tell. He goes around and he tries to encourage people Come on, guys, we got this. He'll do pushups. If he does a bad kick at training whereas none of these other kids do that, he'll pull other kids up and say listen up when they're not listening, he goes listen up, guys. I can see he's got those leadership skills, which obviously gets from me being the coach, but also me being his dad. He's seen me on stages talking in front of people.

George:

That influence has definitely been on him and, let's say, trained him mentally, because the other kids are not mentally tough like that and he goes in under the ball like he's a very hard ball, get type kid and again, I'm trying to translate that sporting element into his life moving forward as well. And you can see it, some kids don't have that. Yeah, it's got to happen. I think it needs to happen young. If you can instill that from a young age it's easier, like I don't. Did you have it as a young kid? What Do you think? You were mentally tough or did you play any sports or anything like that as a young kid or do anything that was hard Like chess?

George:

Yeah, I mean maybe there's an element of that. Do you play? Sport, but like, not at a high level no, but even you can be putting in a huge effort at a low level sports club even I.

Robby:

I never saw it like that. I used to have fun yeah, it was fun. I used to enjoy it yeah, so I never saw it as oh man the grind.

George:

Yeah, I think I was like that as well up until about the mid-teens. I was under 15s, under 16s, and we started to do proper pre-seasons. That made you throw up.

Robby:

Yeah, we used to then train.

George:

I remember under 16s we used to train with the seniors for a little bit and it's like man. I remember under 16s we used to train with the seniors for a little bit and it's like man. I remember once I've only ever thrown up once and it was at a preseason Like just from the running and the work and I was like how do these guys do it? And I was exhausted. But you know I got that. That did help with mental toughness. And then working during my university years yeah, it was, it's building fences like paling fences. That was hard, laborious work, like it was really difficult shit sometimes. Sometimes you had easy days, but a lot of the time you had hard days that you had to push through, like there wasn't an easy moment of it and you had to work hard. And then I got that appreciation for doing a hard day's work, coming home and being real tired or you know, I actually used to go to the gym straight after as well, but having that appreciation for it.

Robby:

Yeah, I used to do that. So I used to do like when I was an apprentice I used to do seven to seven, yeah.

George:

I think that's influenced me at that young age to be working hard now today, because I used to work hard as an employee as well. That's why I always got promoted. I used to work hard as an employee as well. That's why I always got promoted. I used to work hard as an employee.

Robby:

I always got promoted before everyone else because the bosses would always see me doing the do, yeah, but so linking back what was the adversity that made you work hard.

George:

I don't think there was an adversity thing there specifically for me. I just wanted more. I've always wanted more. I always probably linked hard work with success, but along the years I've also learned that a laborer works really hard. There's probably laborers out there working a lot harder than me and in one transaction I've made their salary for a whole year. Do you know what I?

Robby:

mean yeah.

George:

So it's not always a matter of working hard, and I've learned that through the years too. I used to think it was I'm just going to outwork you, but there's got to be a level where you've got some self-awareness. There's got to be a level where you have some smarts about you too, and this is where the intelligent things, the intelligence, comes into what you were saying before. You're looking at some of these people and going well, I'm working hard, I'm working smarter, and I'm still not getting the runs on the board. Is it a timing thing? Is it a market thing?

Robby:

I wouldn't say it's not getting the runs on the board. I'd say it's Quick enough or large enough. Yeah, quick enough or large enough, yeah, but like, even like, uh, you, you did that, like like I'd be pretty impressed if I did that, and it's like I'm not doing that. You did that and it's like you know that. Good, don't know what I mean.

Robby:

Yeah, like you're not to some people you look at and you're like I couldn't do that, like that what you're doing there, like you were fucking working for that dude, yeah. And then there's other people you're looking at and you think you ain't that bright. You know you're not, you're not doing anything. I don't believe I could do.

Robby:

I believe if I do what you do, I probably do it better yes, yeah, there you go I mean, I believe if you and I went up and competed against each other, I reckon I'd knock you out the park and you're looking at those people and saying, but that's my thoughts, but reality is I'm not.

George:

Scoreboard saying different.

Robby:

Yeah, scoreboard says otherwise. You know, it's like looking at the team saying we'll beat these guys.

George:

Well, this is I mean it's great that we've had this conversation, because it's still very much in line with what we're talking about, because, you know, this is an adverse. This is something that's uh, where you have that adversity, now that point where you can go. Well, is this going to be my? Which way is the story going to go for you? Is it going to be a matter of okay, this is going to drive you or it's going to own you?

Robby:

Yeah, I don't think it's going to own me.

George:

Oh no, I don't doubt that. I don't doubt that. But there's people out there where it would, yeah, I mean, okay, you go home and you go to Mrs. I want to go on holiday, I just want to go to Europe. I want to tour Europe First class, like start making some more fucking money. You know what I mean. Or like, why don't you just, can you just go get a job and make 200 grand a year so we can just relax for once and not have to worry where our wage is coming from this month, or your family? Oh, you're working too hard. Are you working Sunday? Like can you just get a normal job and just relax and like not work Sundays? I'm concerned that you're going to burn out, you know. So then you get external factors buying in to what you're doing and what you're about and sort of maybe even self-doubt creeping in.

George:

You get that anyway, yeah, I think you'll get that on all levels, like you get people, it's often people that care about you. The best question.

Robby:

I get is how much do you make from the podcast?

George:

How much have you made? And it's like huh, how much money do you make from the?

Robby:

podcast. How much does that pay you? And you're like pay me, it just takes time, it doesn't pay me. If anything, it costs money. But that's just people who don't. I just think they don't subscribe to the same theory.

George:

Or to this podcast. Or to this podcast.

Robby:

Or to this podcast.

George:

Because if they did subscribe to the podcast, I mean they'd be very enlightened and probably learn a couple of things along the way too. And yeah, look, more often than not I think a lot of people that love you will say things like that to you. My dad says it to me. He would be like oh he goes, you're working too hard. I said no, I'm not working fucking hard enough.

Robby:

But who cares? No, no, no. Who cares about? Like the intention, intentions are relevant. The result's the result Like if someone, so for example, a parent who ruins a kid.

George:

Yeah, they do it out of love.

Robby:

Most they're like I won't give them everything, I didn't have. Blah, blah, blah. And they give them all the shit and they spoil the shit out of him and then the kid grows up and is ruined and has had everything as a brat that parent had the best intentions yeah, for the kid.

Robby:

They fucked them up. Yeah, as opposed to a parent who, uh, maybe didn't have great intentions. They were selfish, didn't care about the kid, left them blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The kid went through adversity, had to learn, ended up with a way better result this kid grew muscle. You know what I mean. So it's like the intention does it really matter? Oh, they're doing it out of love. Who gives a shit?

George:

Yeah, the result's there. Yeah, but exactly their intention doesn't matter. But what does matter is how the person reacts to that intention, whether they listen to it or whether they go off and do what they genuinely believe is the best thing for them.

Robby:

Yeah, it's all noise.

George:

It is all noise, all noise. How do you block it out? Because there's also influential people. It could be close friends, it could be your partner, it could be your parents, a sibling. How do you block that noise, that noise out? Because you love respect, most of the time, these people and their opinions, yeah, so how do you block that?

Robby:

out like if you are going to give me business advice, you best be doing in business.

George:

Yeah, when I say more than me.

Robby:

I mean more in the direction that I want to go. Yeah, that might be for you, like, let's just say, for example, your goal is to work 10 hours a week. Listening to someone who works 80 hours a week but makes 20 million bucks a year is not the right person yeah if that's your goal, so it's like, okay, cool, listen to the people who are doing what you want in that space.

Robby:

Don't listen to a fat person about how to get a six-pack. Don't listen to a broke person about how to make money. So Don't listen to an employee about how to run your business. Do you know what I mean? Like, it's like just don't like. If they say stuff, I just I mute it, I just nod, cool man.

George:

Yeah. Tell me more about how you don't know how you don't know how to run a business. Tell me more about how, the day they're like before we do this. How do I get into specifics?

George:

Oh fuck it, Whatever. So we're here to give value, so we're just going to talk. They're like before we start the next job, we're not started. They're all demanding we're not starting the next project until we have this, this and this from the clients. Otherwise we're not starting the job. I responded in the group chat false, Okay, we will be starting the fucking project and you'll make it happen. Because they're like oh no, because then it's yes, it's hard. Of course it's going to be harder.

George:

Have processes and systems in place to get the information you need. But I'm not going to say to a client I'm not starting your job, I'm not going to get $250,000 worth of revenue in the business from day one because I need you to make your selections on this, this, this and this. That's just stupid, stupid business. Can we have processes in place? The statement should have been we should have a process in place to ensure we have this information by this date so that we can ensure the project runs smoother. Not, we're not going to start a project, it's just stupidity. Of course you can start a project and still have those dates in place. Okay, cool. Then I'll say the same thing Great, we don't start a project. So then everyone's happy to work for three months for free until we have this information, Just out of curiosity.

Robby:

Okay, but is that semantics? What do you mean by that?

George:

Like just the way a sentence was worded oh no, no, they were pretty much saying because it can be difficult when you don't have some of this information moving forward, because you're chasing your tail a little bit.

Robby:

You get to a point of the job and you're like we know this information job has to stop or job goes forward.

George:

So the sentence was structured differently but had the same meaning Potentially. But I know how they think and what they're saying. They're going no, no, let's stop, let's not do the job, the job doesn't begin. That was their solution to the problem to put pressure on a client to give us information. So, no, no, let's not start the job until we have this information. So, guys, it's the wrong way to look at it. Have a process in place to get the information. Even you can start the job, but just have it by a certain date. And then, if you don't have it by the certain date, then there's consequences to the owner or developer or whoever it is in time, in money, in whatever it is, because we're delayed or whatever.

George:

But yeah, that was just going on external noise and people telling you how to do something. But it's not necessarily the best advice for you, for your business. They're looking at it from their perspective, going okay, because it makes our life easier as employees when these things happen, and I'm like, yes, 100% it does, and that's what we want to have. But the process doesn't mean it has to happen this way. It has to happen another way to get the information. It has to happen this way. It has to happen, another way to get the information. But yeah, anyway. So that was just more elaborating on your example of external noise and people giving you advice when it may not necessarily be the best thing for you or for the business.

Robby:

Yeah, I think you just got to look at where it's coming from. I mean, who's telling me this thing, that I need to go and do this, or I need to listen to that, or whatever it might be. Who's? Who's the person selling that, and what runs do they have on the board regarding this factor? Um, yeah, and then if, man, if someone's in the position you want to be in and they're telling you something and you trust that person and you like them and you respect them, you should probably listen.

Robby:

Do you know what I mean? Like, if someone is doing exactly what you want, or has the body that you want, or the life or the family, or whatever it is, and it's doing what you want to be doing, and they say, hey, man, you should do this, this and this. You should probably, and you don't have to listen blindly, but fucking just take it in, give it a crack, yeah, and say, okay, like, let me think about that, does that make sense for what I want? Yeah, you know, but the end result is people who achieve things that others don't are doing stuff that others aren't.

George:

Yep.

Robby:

There is no way you can deny that. Yeah, I couldn't agree more Like that's just, it's, it's. There is no way you can deny that yeah, I couldn't agree more like that's just. It's facts. If they do, if they're getting something you're not getting, they are doing something you're not. You know I mean what that is.

George:

You see that in the masses, though, as well, as far as everyone's doing the same thing yeah, oh that I say this all the time. Like man, like the average person, sucks yeah, that's why it's you just said it like it's the someone said your average this. That's offensive.

Robby:

I'd rather be really bad. Yeah, but so it's not the term that is offensive. It's what we've made of the term. Yeah, average just means the. If you had to lay right now and find the middle. Actually that's median, but yeah you know, I mean, it's kind of like somewhere in the same.

Robby:

Yeah, yeah the most common type, whatever it might be like if we had to make one everyone you know, combined and we took one thing from everyone, made one. Yeah, um, that's just a meaning. Yeah, you know what I mean. Like if someone says the thing actually doesn't have any meaning behind it, it's just what it's defined as. Why we hate the term average is because we look at the average human and we're like man people suck and most people suck. That's why most people are not wealthy because most people suck. Dude, I went to a pizza shop the other day. All they do is make pizzas. That's all they do, like they sell pizzas. They don't have anything else. They don't sell chips, they don't sell, they just make pizzas I haven't had pizza for a while.

George:

I'll go now. Tell me which one to go to. I hear you know a few.

Robby:

I've been around Sorry, continue your story a pizza from this pizza shop. All they do is one thing. It was the worst pizza and I'm like you, fucking like you got one job. Like that's this is your bread and butter. Literally like this is all you can do to make money and you can't even get that right. Generally, like that's not hard. Generally it's not hard to make a meal.

George:

Hey, I, I flipped out the other day. Good, I flipped out. Who, hey you Me, yeah, when you made the pizza, I lost my mind when I saw that I was like waiting for it to go to, like the pizza to turn into a fucking I don't know transformer and tell me to buy marketing. I was about to buy it. And you made a pizza, really making pizza. You made a pizza. The bloke that hates to cook and would pay people to cook for him made a sick pizza too.

Robby:

Let me make this clear Did you make the dough? As well, I actually didn't.

George:

Yeah, I didn't think you did. I didn't think you did, but still sick.

Robby:

Yeah, but I have the recipe. Was it a good pizza?

George:

Was it genuinely a good?

Robby:

pizza. It looked fucking good, it was fucking great. It looked like a really good pizza.

George:

Yeah, it was very good. Go check it out. For those of you that haven't watched it, go on his Instagram page check it out.

Robby:

But what were we going to say before that?

George:

I don't know. We're talking about your sick pizza and I flipped out.

Robby:

Oh yeah, think I don't hate cooking. I think cooking every day is a waste of time yeah, so going to cook a one-off meal is an enjoyable exercise. Cooking every day to eat, yeah, is a waste of fucking time. It is, it's the truth. But like going and whip up a meal in it like as a as something to do, yeah, it's fun and a bit of content as well yeah I was just.

Robby:

I was like man, I'm gonna do this, but I'm gonna do this, I'm coming with cameras, yeah, and they're like all right. Yeah, it's fine.

George:

And I was like, yeah, it's great, that was very good, very good. So yeah, look, as I said, I feel there's been times where I've gone through adversity and it could have gone one way or the other, and I feel that most times I've come across that, even though it's hard at the time to accept. Do you want to share an example? I mean, I always come back to it, so I kind of hate saying it, but COVID was one of those examples for me personally.

George:

Business and personally, I just don't think I was the best human during that time Not that it was a bad one, just wasn't the best. Work was really hard, losing a lot of money. Uh, I considered shutting up shop, not going broke, but actually walking away from it. I was very close and had I not won a really big project which pretty much pulled us out of the shit, I probably would have. Uh, yeah, yeah, I reckon I was very close, considering my options to go fuck this. I'm just going to go call my mates that I know that work at big construction companies get a really cushy job not when I say cushy, a very well-paid job and just work it like that.

George:

That was probably one of the times what I persevered and I don't regret my decision. I'm glad I did, because I think it made me into a better person, a better human doing, went on a path of self-development as well, so went and did a whole bunch of courses, learned how to speak on stage, started a new business, met yourself and a whole bunch of other people as well that we became friends with following that. So I don't regret it at all. I look at it as a positive thing that happened in the end as a result of what happened now.

Robby:

Yeah, hindsight's fucking great.

George:

So now, whenever I come across something difficult, I try and look at it in the same way. Well, what's the lesson here? How can I use this difficult thing to be better? That's how I try and look at most things. Even now we're mid-hand over on a few projects and like real stressful time. I see my team like it's interesting watching people under stress and how they cope with it. That's interesting too, watching the team. Some thrive, some go.

George:

Okay, cool, let's go, let's go to the next level, some buckle yeah some buckle, you know, and like I can only teach what I can teach. I can't do the do. I can't make it do it. I've tried to give some advice. Hey, look, ground yourself, understand that this will be over in a week. And all these things you're stressed about right this moment you're not going to be stressed about in six months time because you're going to finish on Friday. That's it. So use that pressure, that stress, to get the job done. So that's interesting, because these stresses are coming on me too. I just handle it differently.

Robby:

Yeah, but so there's two sides to that. One capabilities. Some people are just not. I've learned that you think everyone can learn everything and it's like some people can't. Yeah, um, and the other aspect is like what's in it for you and what's in it for them? Do you know what I mean? At the end of the day, you have to wear the most. You have to be willing to wear the most. At least you don't have to wear the most, but you have to be willing to. Yeah, do you know what? They don't have to be willing to wear as much as you. Yeah, exactly, yeah, 100%. And if you're going to ask yourself this, if it was their business, would they be willing to? Don't know, yeah, it's a hard question to answer.

George:

Yeah, also, I don't think everyone can do what we do. I think the vast majority, even people that are in business, can't do what they do or can can do what we do. I think the vast majority, even people that are in business, can't do what they do or can't do what we do.

Robby:

Sorry, I think there's a lot of people in business who probably shouldn't be. So how would that person know?

George:

They'd probably just get kicked in the face and then realize it themselves Because in the moment they're like, oh, I can do this, or I'm good at this.

Robby:

But how would they know, or how would you know?

George:

From a perspective of now. I've got to coach and mentor some people. I see what some people are doing and where they're making mistakes, but some people keep making those same mistakes for 10 years. We had a client once who again great builder, really good at construction, built some amazing beautiful homes but just didn't make any money for 10 years. It's like we've made wages, but I may as well have gone out and worked for someone and made wages and not had all the risk, all the stress, all the sleepless nights. I said, yeah, probably right, you're probably right with that. So what needs to change? He's like well, that's why we're here. They just didn't know what. They didn't know. I think they were not too bad operators, they just were doing things within their business. That was wrong. But some people just can't deal with the pressure and the stresses that they have. That comes with the territory and that's why a lot of people go broke in business a lot and more often than not I don't know if they come back. Yeah, you know what. They'll open up another business.

George:

I reckon that stat is bullshit.

Robby:

You reckon, yeah. You don't reckon, yeah. Have you heard the stats?

George:

No, in business in general or in industry.

Robby:

In both. They're horrific. Yeah, they're like something along the lines of you know, 90% of businesses won't be able to, so I think it's 60%. Don't get through the first year, yeah, or first three years. 90%. Don't get past five, like 5%. Get to 10 or something.

George:

Something stupid shit like that.

Robby:

But how many people do you know that have had a business that have gone broke, in comparison to how many people you know that have a business and it's like everyone you ask? Answer that question.

George:

Yeah, I don't know, it might be one or two, it's not many compared to, I know, maybe hundreds of business owners.

Robby:

And then it's like well, where's the stats? Because everyone you ask seems to say the same thing.

George:

Well, I mean you can find it, the Bureau of Statistics.

Robby:

Yeah, but where's the stats?

George:

coming from. They would be looking at insolvencies because you've got to apply for it, like the ATO would know that you go broke?

Robby:

Yeah, of course my company, this company, yeah, this entity shut down. I'm still operating, this entity shut down.

George:

Yeah, so there could be a level of that too.

Robby:

It's got to be dude. I just don't know many people that have gone completely bust. I don't know. I was thinking about it the other day, that's why, and then I was like it doesn't make sense, Like it doesn't stack up. Yeah that that many people are going for it, yeah that means that if you've been in business in 10 years everyone that you look at that was in business back then most of them should be shut shop.

George:

Yeah Well, maybe they just stop. Hey, maybe they just give up.

Robby:

Yeah, let's count the giving up as shut shop.

George:

Yeah.

Robby:

How many people do you know that gave up completely? Still, not that many. Even if it was half, the claim is like 95%.

George:

You know what I mean? Yeah, I don't know.

Robby:

I just you look at the stat is there for everyone. You look at it in the US, you look at it in Australia a similar-ish kind of pattern, yeah. But then when you actually look at what's around you, it's like this doesn't stack up. There's something here that does not make sense. Either everyone I know is super successful because you're all fucking part of the 1%, or we live in a different world. They're getting stats from somewhere else.

George:

Very interesting.

Robby:

Yes.

George:

Very cool, yeah. So as far as what people can do when it comes to whether they're going to be successful or unsuccessful in a time of adversity, I reckon you've just got to look at the situation for what it is. That it's not the end. You're not dying after this. It's not the end of your life. It's not the end of the road. There is a tomorrow and you get to wake up and you get to go again and you get to keep moving in the right direction.

Robby:

And if you do die tomorrow, you'll be dead. It's not going to matter, yeah.

George:

It's not going to matter. If you die that next day like no one cares. And look, the world goes round. Do you know what I mean? If Dutch will die tomorrow, my inbox is going to have 100 emails, and the day after that it'll probably have another hundred emails, and the day after that it's probably going to have another hundred emails. Right, the world's going to keep ticking.

Robby:

I just finished um Steve Jobs' biography. How was it Fucking interesting? Hmm, um, I I listened to her like sections. It's very long and this guy changed the world Like I think we think that he just made Apple. Did you know he was he's behind Toy Story and Pixar? Oh, I think I did hear that. Yeah, I had no idea. Yeah, pixar.

George:

I think I heard something, there was a connection there of something. I did hear that. Yeah, I had no idea. Yeah, pixar, I think I heard something.

Robby:

There was a connection there of something I can recall that he's behind all that and Apple, like Apple was a little company. Look at Apple now and it's like and this guy died, gone, like. It's like how many times have you thought of him? Like he's got something that everyone carries around, but how many times have you thought of him Really? Yeah, I mean, this was a people referred to him like he was a genius. I reckon he wasn't the smartest bloke, but he was a genius, like in his way to deliver for particular things, you know, and, um, very Elon Musk, yeah, like, yeah, very aggressive, very to the point. Just a different person. Um, but he's been dead for over 10 years and I'm sure his family still think about him from time to time but how many?

Robby:

and even like the people who say, oh yeah, no, Steve Jobs made Apple. It's like what do they know about what? Do those people's opinions of him matter? Yeah, the people who have no idea who he was, or anything about him. They just know that he was associated to Apple and he's gone. That's it.

George:

Forever, forever and ever. So that's the number one thing. I reckon, man. I reckon if you guys can just see what you're going through and some of you listening to this are going through a difficult time right now and just know tomorrow's going to be another day. Tomorrow you get to get up and you get to go and do it again. You don't have to. You get to go up, get up and do it again. You get to have all those problems, have those challenges come out the other end, because there will be an end date to that challenge. There will be an end date to it and when you get there you can look back and go okay, I'm better because of it. I know how to deal with that when it happens again, if it ever happens again. Or I can give some advice to my kids, to a friend, to a partner, if something like that ever happens again.

Robby:

Yeah, and whatever's bothering you now probably won't bother you in three months. Exactly right. And to prove it, think about something that bothered you three months ago and what does it bother you now?

George:

Can I just say, like COVID doesn't nothing that happened in COVID bothers me yeah.

Robby:

Yeah, like I don't think about it Exactly. Yeah Well, even when it's like when someone brings it up, you're like, don't talk about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

George:

There's no, there's no level of stress there when you talk about it. It's done.

Robby:

Like whatever, whatever.

George:

You saw it for what it was, and important thing is obviously, just listen to this podcast, because it's going to give you everything that you need to be massively successful in your life Everything, everything, well, great chat as always. Thank you very much for joining us. I haven't said this in a while, but I hope you're having a million dollar day and I personally cannot wait for you to join us next week when we have an amazing chat 'll see you then.

Robby:

Peace out, guys, thank you, thanks everybody.

George:

We even need to clap anymore, no fucking cameraman shit fucking going back into the stone age.

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