Million Dollar Days

The Assassination of Charlie Kirk

• Robby Choucair and George Passas • Season 1 • Episode 101

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A young man wakes up, gets ready for his day, and within hours is shot dead simply for having opinions. This isn't the plot of a dystopian novel—it's what happened to Charlie Kirk, and it's forcing us all to question the increasingly dangerous cost of speaking freely in today's polarized climate.

The assassination of Charlie Kirk has created ripples far beyond conservative circles. As we grapple with this tragedy, we find ourselves asking uncomfortable questions about the narratives we're being fed, the meaning we assign to violence, and what happens when disagreement turns deadly. Was this really just the isolated act of a 22-year-old with no prior criminal record? Or is there something more complex at play in a culture where opinions can get you killed?

What's particularly chilling is watching how some celebrated Kirk's death while others mourned it—a stark illustration of our societal fractures. Kirk wasn't a dictator or mass murderer; he was someone who articulated conservative viewpoints and backed them with reasoned arguments. He invited conversation rather than shutting it down. And for that, he paid the ultimate price, leaving behind a young family and a legacy now defined by his violent end.

This episode goes beyond the headlines to explore what dies with the messenger. We consider how the media shapes our perception of events, whether America is truly as dangerous as it's portrayed, and the troubling reality that speaking out might now carry life-threatening consequences. If this is the price of having controversial opinions, who among us will still be willing to stand up and speak? And what kind of world are we creating when silence becomes the safer option?


George:

You better be careful what you say, mate. Me. People are out for ya. Don't say anything out of the norm, to the contrary of society pressures. Don't do anything like that because you could get shot. In the neck. And or killed. So a couple weeks ago, as many people know, Charlie Kirk got shot and killed, assassinated in the States.

Robby:

What'd you what's your take? Obviously, so for people listening now, this is two weeks ago. And when it happened, I was quite um I was quite shocked. I was shocked, yeah. But when I first came to your office at like 6 30 a.m. and I was like, hey, this guy, remember this guy we saw at the earlier. I said, Do you remember the guy we saw at 10x conference? And you're like, which one? I was like, Charlie Kirk, and you're like, Yeah. I was like, he just got shot. Yeah.

George:

I saw he got shot. I saw an email. I saw the first thing I saw is he got shot. And then you came in and said he's dead. I'm like, what's that?

Robby:

Yeah, sorry, Tony. That's fine. I walked in thinking he's dead, yeah.

George:

Yeah, so that was full on. That was full on. And then I saw I saw a clip of when he got shot, and then you said you saw another one where it was close up and personal when he got shot. I didn't see that one. But yeah, man, very dis very disturbing, very sad. And it's it's just a crying shame. Were you a fan? I wouldn't say I was a fan. Like I I followed him. I agreed with a lot of his point of views, for sure. And yeah, it was just really sad to see that he did he wasn't really anyone that did anything bad. Do you know what I mean? He just had a very strong stance. Strong stance, but he backed it up with fact. Like he was able to turn around and say, This, this, these reasons, this is what I believe. And it wasn't to necessarily prove someone wrong. He goes, Let's have a discussion, let's see if we can get to some sort of a logical conclusion. And if you put some for some points forward that I can then take on board, like he was open to the discussion, and that's all he did. He just spoke. And for that, some fuckwit decided to take his life. What's your take on the whole? On the person that shot him? Yeah. Uh support the death penalty.

Robby:

Yeah. Do you are you buying into the whole story that's being painted?

George:

With what so explain the story to me.

Robby:

And for the viewers. The ev everything that the media's portraying. This is a guy who had a trans boyfriend who I don't know.

George:

I don't know anything about that. And I haven't heard that's the first I've heard anything about that. Oh, you haven't heard anything. No, I just thought the guy, I the from what I heard and saw, he just hated Charlie Kirk and his views and and what he stood for and everything, which is just so like the guy's not well to have to premeditate that murder. Like he's gone out there with a plan to kill this bloke. You know, it wasn't just an accident. It wasn't a random thing. I woke up in the morning and I'm going to do this. Like he had planned this, where he was going to shoot from, what day he was going to be there, what the bullets set on them, like he wrote shit on the bullets. Like this guy premeditated to take this, to take Charlie's life. You know, a young man, like he was in his early 30s, had a young family, a wife, just going around spreading his opinion on things, which many people disagreed with, but he was said, that's good. We should have disagreement. We shouldn't all just go all the go in the same direction like sheep. It brings up conversations. And, you know, that that's what was really sad. Like, would it encourage the next Charlie Kirk now to stand up? Do you know what I mean? Knowing that if you had that sort of opinion and you were really good at what you did, you were able to back it up with factual evidence, all this sort of stuff, that if you now go to a college campus or if you go and do something that annoys someone, it's gonna cost you your life. Is it worth it?

Robby:

Okay, so there's a couple of ways this conversation can go. Me personally, I don't buy into the story. The story of the kid. Yeah. Yeah. I just don't believe it. It just seems fake. Yeah. It seems too perfect. Yes. This guy would go out and say, Oh, you know, transgender's two genders, he would say. And then ironically, the guy who has no criminal record, who's a normal kid from school in that area, went and planned this whole heist of climbing this building and sitting on the top with a sniper rifle and popping him in the neck.

George:

I mean, that's a difficult shot. Do you know what I mean? Like you'd have to be some sort of skill with a gun. I uh no, I don't think it's that difficult. Isn't it? Okay.

Robby:

No, I don't think you've shot rifles before. Yeah, yeah, but like I think you could people pop deer from further away. Yeah, okay. Yeah. Um so I don't think it's it's not like a you know, ex-military kind of nah.

George:

So what do you what's your stance? You you just don't you don't think he'd did it?

Robby:

I think there is a it's just odd. Yeah, it's a bizarre thing, but no no no no no no like it's like they painted you the perfect picture. Ah, this guy said there was two genders, and this guy who went and pumped him had a transgender boyfriend, and he was very saying one extreme to the other. Yeah, but it's like if you had to say, well, who do you reckon shot him? You'd have been like, oh well, someone who was someone far left. Someone far left, yeah. Yeah.

George:

You know what I mean? Far left extremist.

Robby:

And it's like they've gone and painted his picture. There's things that both you're you're more of a conspiracy, yeah. No, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I also think there's elements that just don't stack up.

George:

Potentially, you're not being fed the full story, I guess.

Robby:

Are you ever?

George:

Yeah. How are you to know? Yeah. Do you know what I mean? But ultimately, what happened, the act has happened. I'm not a I'm not a yeah, he's dead. Yeah. He's gone. So that's that that act has happened. How it's gotten to that point, who knows? But the act has happened. You know, the guy's gone.

Robby:

But the way the way the country's handled it has been weird too.

George:

Yeah, right. I think it just seems well. They had their ceremony for him the other day as well. That's 60,000 people, I think, in a stadium. I saw it, yeah. It was full scene. It was a hundred thousand people apparently outside as well. Dude, just cast 31. Look at the change. Like they were talking about him being a future president, like that's how high esteem some of these people held him. He was very, it was very, he was very religious too, which did rub some people up the wrong way, too. Yeah. Which I don't have an issue with. Like, I didn't have any issue with him saying that sort of stuff. Like, that's what great that you have that faith. I think that's fine. He wasn't going out there to change people's mind. He was just saying, This is my belief, this is why I believe it. He was very, you know, I there's these comments he was pro guns as well. He wasn't pro-guns. And then you hear people going, Oh, how ironic that you got shot by a gun. Yeah, which is a disgusting. That's stupidity of the highest accord. And the best argument I heard for that, because he actually came out and said something about I'm pro-gun. I'm paraphrasing now. He said, I'm pro-gun. People die from guns. That is a cost I'm willing to accept in order to be able to have guns. So he did say something like that again, paraphrasing, but it was along those lines. Yeah. But the best argument I heard against that was, do you drive? So you're pro-car. So cars kill more people than guns ever do. So is it an acceptable level of people dying in order for you to be able to drive? Is it ironic that if you die in a car accident, you're pro-car? So it was a it was a very good comparison that I heard um when someone said that. Is that person pro No, they were just saying an example like uh yeah, he's pro-gun, he got killed by a gun. It's like, yeah, but you're you drive a car every day. Cars kill hundreds of thousands of people a year. So are you are you pro-car now or are you against cars? So that's the point, that's the point effectively, Charlie was trying to make at the time. And I think he maybe he even gave that example about the cars. But you know, anything he said, he then backed it up with a logical reason. And I think that's why I personally relate or or liked what he said, because I find that I'm a logical person. I'll you can change my mind. I'm open to having a different point of view. And if people can break it down to me and show me the reasons, show me the four, show me the against, I'll go, okay, cool. Like a perfect example. We we spoke about this a long time ago, but we had a friend who works a four-day work week with his team and he's in the construction space. And like, no way, you can't do that. Like, I was dead set. I'm saying, you cannot do a four-day work week. I don't believe it. I will do more working a five-day work week than you will a four. And after the discussion, back and forth for a good hour, like you go, he actually changed my mind somewhat. And he showed me the logical reasons and why he did what he did and how he was doing it and how he's structuring it. And he showed me the benefits and he's like, this works for this reason, for this reason. I'm saying, okay, you know what? That really could work. That could be, you could be onto something there. So it I went from no way, never work five days a week, uh, never work four days a week, to going, okay, maybe that could work. And that's what Charlie did. Whenever he had a discussion about something, he would say, What would you like to talk to me about? Anything's on the table, whatever you would like. And then he would come and have that discussion. And he had a lot of controversial topics, which is what got the views. That's probably what made him so famous, as far as him just having those um confrontational, not confrontational, controversial topics. It could be pro-guns, it could be abortion, was a really big one. You know, he was pro-life, so that was a huge one. And um, we said guns, we said uh about genders and politics. He was a far like he was a right-wing politician, well, not politician, but right-wing politics. He was a huge Trump supporter. And that rubbed people up the wrong way. But he would have that discussion at the very least. He never went out there, not from clips that I saw, and went out and abused people and said, you know, you're this, you're this, you're this, you're a dud. He would say, Well, show me why. Tell me why. And people couldn't give those answers to him because he was a very smart man.

Robby:

Yeah, he was. Um, I don't know. I'm uh I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I'm just not buying into the something sus, man. Could be. There has to be, dude. Come on, like look at everything that's happening. I I've looked into it. I don't know.

George:

Have you looked into it much? No, no, not not in the depth that you're saying. But it's like the tr uh attempted Trump Trump Trump assassination is.

Robby:

Yeah, isn't that weird that they had to stop talking about it two weeks later?

George:

I think it's weird that it just grazed his ear. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Like, how lucky? You tell me you're that lucky that it just grazed. I reckon that to me, I thought that was more of a political stunt than anything. I reckon I don't reckon anyone shot him. No bullet. No bullet. Nothing. I don't know. Did someone die from that though?

Robby:

Yeah.

George:

Oh, okay.

Robby:

Maybe they'll take that back then. No, but I don't think someone died from his bullet. They died from what? Like, I I I don't know if it was the same bullet that grazed that shot the next first person.

George:

Yeah. No idea. But that that seemed to me a little bit sus to get the votes and go, you know, what a how good would that be for his campaign? That was great. That's what I mean. Uh that's why I thought that was sus. Where's the benefit in this instance with Charlie and his assassination? I don't know, just silencing a strong opinion.

Robby:

I I don't know. I don't know if there is a benefit to what was done. Like, I don't think they did it with a I don't know who did it, I don't know what the cause was. I just find it odd that a 22-year-old think about when you were 22. Okay, and then you could sit there and say, Oh, this guy's this and that, and like the guy has no criminal record. People from his there's just there's a whole bunch of elements to the story that don't stack up, where they found the gun, you know what I mean? Um, footage of him, um, you know, and maybe he did take the shop, like so there's no one involved, no one at all. Like he went and planned this whole thing himself all by himself and went and sat on a rooftop. How did he know where the thing was gonna be seated and what way Charlie was gonna be facing, and and there was no gonna be no obstructures, and you know what I mean? And then like you climbed onto a rooftop with a gun and no one stopped you, no one saw you, no one saw you.

George:

How'd you get on the roof? Like roofs aren't necessarily an easy thing to get onto it.

Robby:

It's like you had you would have had to walk past some people, you would have had to carry a big ladder. I don't know. The situation is um it's weird in my opinion. Um, no accomplices, no one knew. You know what I mean? No one knew, no, not one thing. There is nothing prior to it showing any of the planning, nothing.

George:

Yeah, yeah, it is odd.

Robby:

Um, anyway, all I'm saying is if I had to point a finger and say who would have killed this guy, I would have said someone with a trans boyfriend. Do you know what I mean? Like it's like, let us paint you the perfect picture, yeah. And then like, oh yeah, the DNA matches, and yeah, I don't know. Who knows? But nevertheless, he is gone. Uh, not here anymore, and the world moves on very quickly. The world moves on, dude. You know what I mean? They're talking about putting him on a coin. Oh, right. I saw that, yeah. And I was like, oh, that's a bit extreme. Um very extreme. Uh but yeah, oh, I was uh I was shook when he died. I was shook, not just from the footage, just from like the that guy got up that morning and was going about his day and he had a story that day. His Instagram following has grown by about seven million followers, by the way.

George:

Since being well, funny, my wife was sitting down and I go, Did you hear about this guy? She's like, Nah, she didn't even know who he was. And I said, Oh, I saw him in the States when I went with Robbie. And I go, he's this. He goes, I go, you would have seen his clips before. Like he's that type of person that you would have just come across it at some stage. And then she goes, she started diving deep into his content. Yeah, she's like, Oh, this, this, this, and went through all that stuff. She's like, Oh, I don't agree with what a lot of he says. I said, get the fuck out of the house. And not having no lefty not having no lefty in the in this um house. Long. No, I don't know. Um, I don't know. She's just consuming. But no, she likes she goes, there's things like greed, things that didn't, which is fine. I go, that's the whole purpose of what he was doing. He wanted to raise a conversation. I mean, it's just like think about every podcast episode we've done, the ones that have performed the best are when we've spoken about a controversial topic of some sort. Each and every time. Why is that? Why do people why are people drawn to that sort that to almost that conflict or that they feel that personal need to express their opinion because they're right from that point of view.

Robby:

I was having this conversation with someone downstairs before, and I was saying, why do we buy like why are conspiracies so attractive to some people? Like, why do you want to you're either completely deterred away from it and you're like, oh it's a conspiracy, fuck that. Or you're like, yeah, it's a conspiracy, give me more. Um why do we buy into that? Yeah, I don't know.

George:

No idea. He's um maybe there's a level of just people just wanting to know or or or validate a point of view, potentially get closure on a to a certain topic or or um action.

Robby:

But this is gonna dissipate. Like the hype's up here now, and it's uh and you know, obviously it's starting to it's not as trending as it was two weeks ago. But it's gonna disappear, we're gonna move on, and he's gone. Yeah. His kids will grow up kids will grow up without him. Wife will probably remarry at some point or get into another relationship at some point. She was young, she was 30, whatever she is, 31. So I'm assuming similar age. He's 31. Um and yes, did he start a movement? Yeah. But was there a bunch of shit that he was worried about that isn't even relevant to him anymore?

unknown:

Yeah.

George:

100% now.

Robby:

That guy woke up he had a story that day, dude. He had a story talking about the girl who got stabbed on the train.

George:

Oh right. Um, there's another fucking ridiculous thing now, isn't it? The girl that hurt something. Yeah. Yeah. Did you see that? I saw it, but not in detail. But you know, that's a full-on thing too. Poor girl, just riding the bus home. Riding the fucking bus home. Train, train. Or whatever it was. You know? Fucking some form of public transport. Um could happen to anyone on that train at that time. You know, and this piece of shit decided no, I'm gonna get this girl. Uh it's quite um The States are do you think it's do you think it's America's a good place to be living?

Robby:

I think Well, okay. Or do we only hear the shit stuff? Yes, yes, dude. It's propaganda. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you know what I mean? How much were you I was like when we went to the States, I was thinking, oh man, like there's gonna be guns everywhere and you know it's gonna be dangerous. And then you go there and it's exactly like Australia.

George:

It's exactly the same. I felt exactly the same. Not once did it cross my mind. No, not once did I feel unsafe, not once did I think, oh, we shouldn't walk down here. Uh in saying that I kind of thought that for a moment in uh New York. I say I wasn't there with you.

Robby:

There was like Dark Street, New York.

George:

Yeah, but fuck you wouldn't do that in Melbourne. I'm sure there's definitely areas, like if you're gonna go look for trouble. Yeah, but you can find it here too. That's what I mean. There was um I think just the it's just extreme over there. Like you never you never hear touch wood of school shootings or anything like that. We don't have guns. I know, but I'm just and that's partly the reason. Yeah, there's there's things like that. Like I would be thinking twice about sending my kids to school there. Is that just because that's what I see and that's what you hear every second day, mass shooting at with kids and all that? I don't know.

Robby:

Yeah, but I I I think the world does everything it can to paint America as a crazy place.

George:

Yeah, it could be that too.

Robby:

It does. Do you do you not think it does? It never talks about how Americans are super positive. It never talks about how many compliments we got on this hat. Yeah, it never talks about uh that aspect of America. And most people you talk to the US about here aren't they? Oh, I fucking hate that place. Oh, I never fucking live there. Uh just fucking, it's fucked. It's too dangerous. Fucking crazies everywhere. They've never liked the state. Yeah. And then you go there and you're like, this place is completely normal. Most places in the world are completely normal.

George:

Yeah. It may be as a consequence of having so many people. They do have a lot of people. That's what I mean. It's like the as a percentage, there's gonna be crazies.

Robby:

Yeah, like you know, who's to say it's less per capita, you know? Yeah, who's to say it's not less by population? That's right. You know what I mean? But um yeah, I I don't uh I don't think America's a bad place. Yeah, I don't I don't think it's a bad place. I think it's a very economically powerful place. I think it has a big impact on the world. I think that there is some sus stuff happening. Um, you know, the Trump shooting, this shooting, that shooting.

Speaker 01:

Yeah.

Robby:

Um, but you could turn around and say the exact same thing. Uh let me ask you a question. How many people you reckon in the US know about the uh machete crimes we've seen here in Melbourne? Six. Do you know like how how well spread would it be there? I don't think it would be that well spread. None. I don't think I don't think anyone would know about it.

George:

Yeah, I don't I don't think I would be very surprised. Unless maybe you're an Australian and following the news down here.

Robby:

Dude, I reckon there's Australians here who don't know about it.

George:

I'm generally one of those people. When like my brother always says, Oh no, even my cousins are like, Oh, did you hear about this? I'm like, No.

Robby:

Yeah, me too.

George:

I never hear, I don't I don't follow, I don't hear. I don't watch the news, I don't watch the news at all.

Robby:

I don't know anything about it. I never ever ever watch the news. I'll never ever I don't my TV is not connected to Frida Air TV. Oh, isn't it? Uh mine is. Yeah, see that's a problem. Nah, uh it's you're still gonna plug the antenna anymore, huh? Is that how it works?

George:

Yeah, yeah. I'm not connected. No, it's Wi-Fi now. That's Wi-Fi antenna.

Robby:

Is it really?

George:

No.

Robby:

Oh I'm not connected. I don't watch Frida Air TV at all. I don't think it serves you and your mentality. Um, but I think the the thing that gets painted, you know what I mean? Like the picture they paint for you, they're controlling the narrative massively. Massively, dude.

Speaker 01:

Yeah.

Robby:

And I don't know, maybe I've been spending too much time on social media lately, but do you feel like the world's going a little mad?

George:

Yeah, for sure. That's all you hear about. Uh unless that's the again the algorithm that you're being fed, but yes.

Robby:

Dude, have you been on have you ever gone on Twitter? Do you go on? Do you spend much time scrolling?

George:

No. My Twitter feed, it's rubbish. My Twitter feed is honestly rubbish, so I don't I don't I don't have the time to just scroll it. I just see stupid shit. Twitter is wild, dude. Yeah, like wild, wild. I think it was better pre Elon. Elon.

Robby:

Yeah, it's removed all restrictions.

George:

Yeah, but now I get rubbish on there. Like I get just stupid things. I'm like, this is I don't even follow this person. Why am I saying this?

Robby:

Yeah, it's definitely wild. And there's like a lot of um like racism. Like there's no uh they're not controlling anything on there. There's no what's the term I'm looking for where they block stuff out?

George:

Uh I know it's on the tip of my tongue.

Robby:

Yeah, but where they control what yeah, censor. There's no censorship, yeah. That's it. Uh there's no censorship. So you go on there and it's like craziness.

George:

Yeah. It's like, I don't know, do you Well is that what it's in? I mean, that's is that what it's encouraging? All this anyone can say anything. It's like your words don't have consequences. Is that what's creating a lot of this conflict? Because someone will go on there and say something vile about race or whatever it might be, and they can say that. That's their opinion. Freedom of speech. And then you get someone that's on the outside. Yeah, the obviously the line's been blurred or there isn't a line at the moment. Maybe there's no line. That's the the thing. People are getting rid pushed to the edge. Some people can't control their emotions. Like, let's just assume this kid did do everything everyone is saying he did. Which kid? The one that shot Charlie Kirk. Oh, yeah. So, at what point has he gone? I I cannot stand Charlie Kirk, and he needs to die. Like, I I need to get rid of him. It's gonna be me. I'm gonna be the hero to do this. Everyone's gonna celebrate that.

Robby:

But they said so they supposedly, allegedly, asked him how long have you been planning this? Oh, it was in the text messages or whatever it was. Yes. How long have you been planning this? About a week. So last week you were like, everything's fine, and then this week ah fuck it. Yeah, he's gonna shoot this guy and go hit him. Yeah, and then you go and sit on a rooftop with a rifle. Wild!

George:

Yeah, and I mean, but you even saw like some of the stuff that can the videos that came out after as well. You see people celebrating that too. So I thought that was fucked up. That's the other flip side. Like, what sort of a person does that? What sort of person would go on there and go, oh no, Charlie Kirk's died. I am devastated. I was like, you piece of shit. What there's you don't have to you there's no one you don't have to mourn anyone, all right? No one's forcing you to mourn his death, but don't fucking celebrate it. That's just makes you a piece of shit.

Robby:

There's footage of people in the crowd.

George:

Oh, I did see that. I saw one guy like everyone ducked as soon as they saw the gun, and then this is one guy turned around just like cheering, like, yeah, like you you're a fucking idiot. And most of those people, you see a lot of those people now in um you hear the stories that come out after, the people that made videos or the people that celebrated, like fired from their job, lives destroyed. Said no, you're we don't want anything to do with that. Would you fire someone on that on a basis if they did something like that? Yeah. That exactly let's use that exact exact example. Say Josh downstairs, you follow him on Instagram and he made a video. He says, How good's this? Would you come in and say come into my office on Monday? Yeah, you're fired. Well, it's representing your company too, isn't it, to a degree.

Robby:

I just think what sort of what sort of people do you want working for you, dude? Like even if you dislike someone, like that's wild.

George:

That's low. It's a low. It's very inhumane to do something like that. You know, especially if the guy like but it wasn't Hitler. Do you know what I mean? It's not a guy that went out and killed people. He didn't he wasn't a bad guy. Yeah, if he was killing people, you'd say, okay, cool. Like I get it. You could probably understand someone celebrating that, especially if they were directly affected by it.

Robby:

I saw I saw some pushback from some people. I'll I'll mention that you just reminded me and I'll I'll bring it up with you after this. People we know.

George:

Oh, yes. I think was it a female? It was a female. Yes, I know who you're talking about. I was quite uh I almost responded.

Robby:

I was gonna comment. Yeah, I was like, we should have done together.

George:

I'm not gonna Yeah, I was gonna respond to that too, and I I I said I just put I just kept scrolling.

Robby:

Yeah, I was like, you know what, this is not my you might not be in the right headspace if this is what you're saying. Yeah. Um and you know, don't make me shoot you in the neck.

George:

Yeah, yeah, but that's exactly what it's like. Hey, I don't like what you just said. I don't you're gone. I'm gonna find you. Yeah, it's it's wild. It it is exactly that. It is exactly that. There is no excuse for it. There is nothing that you could do or say to celebrate something like that. And if you are one of those people, you're fucked. Honestly, unfriend me, unfollow me, delete this podcast. We want nothing to do with you. But share it, share it with other people that do want it though first.

Robby:

Yeah, yeah. Don't uh stop watching it, stop watching it, keep sharing it, but maybe subscribe. Stay subscribed.

George:

Stay subscribed, just keep our numbers up.

Robby:

Stay subscribed. No, you know what? Fuck you. Fuck you. Um, yeah, look, I don't know. I don't know. The whole thing still doesn't sit well with me. I was shook that day, dude. I was like, like, whoa, like, man, that is from the footage, the footage was was quite bad.

George:

Alright, but uh you get there's people out there, there's personalities out there again that push a certain agenda, whether it be it right or left. Like, imagine now you spoke about something that you believed in, and that there was a risk now of you stepping out of this office and some ambassador, just because of what, you know, as you say, my face made a sound and it upset you. Yeah. Made a noise and it upset you. That to me, it's like, okay, I'll give you an example. I I think owner-builder projects should be abolished. Get rid of them, useless. No one should be able to build their home unless they are a qualified builder to do so. Just because you own it, you shouldn't be able to build it. Let's say I was responsible that's my opinion. I keep I go out there, I I rally for it, I end up getting it done. People hate me for that. People would hate me for that. I guarantee they would hate me. They probably hate it now that they're listening to it. Owner Builder. Own a builder. If you're an owner builder, unfriend me. Why does that bother you so much? I don't know, maybe because it's I I see it along the same lines as well, owner teacher, like it's a profession. Like how are you school teacher? Huh? Owner. I said owner teacher.

Robby:

What's the difference between that and homeschool teacher?

George:

Well, then why do I need to go to uni for four years and be qualified and do all this sort of stuff? You want to do it for lots of people. Even then.

Robby:

That's a really good you just gave a solid argument against yourself. With what? The homeschool teacher, homeschooling.

George:

The equivalent. Yeah. Yeah, but okay, we'll go to another extreme. But people do this not just they do it to flip, they do it to not to live in. Yeah, so there's a limitation.

Robby:

There's limitations.

George:

There is, but it's still to me, I I think there's there's far too big a gap. There's far too big a gap between the profession and the unprofessional. There's too many elements. And anyway, regardless, I won't get into this topic for another day. But let's just say I was the one that was responsible for it or was a huge um advocate for getting rid of it. And then people hate that so much. And all I wanted to do was make the industry better or help people or whatever it might be. Show them, hey, this is why you shouldn't do it. Let me show you why. It's actually cheaper for you not to engage a proper builder and go through that process as opposed to doing it yourself. And then someone gets out and bashes me or kills me or pushes me. Like, is it worth me then having that opinion? Is it worth me going, I'm gonna go out there and do this because it's good for the industry, because it's good for people, it's this, it's this, it's this, when now there's a risk for me getting shot or getting seriously hurt, or my family threatened, or my friends threatened, or the building vandalized. Is it worth having that conversation now? Do you reckon Charlie, when he was 25. I don't know how old he was when he first started going to universities and debating people. Do you reckon if he had a crystal ball and said, Listen, Bloke, this is going to be good, but it's not going to end well? Do you want to keep going? Do you reckon he would have gone down that path? I mean, he's a highly religious person. He probably would have been like, that's fine. I've got God, I'll I've got another lifetime after this anyway. That's fine. But do you know what I mean? Is it killing free speech? Is it is it suppressing people to go out there and actually have an opinion, to have discussions.

Robby:

We don't have opinions in a show.

George:

But anywhere now. No one has opinions here. No, you get people that have opinions. Who? There's people, I don't know. People have opinions. There's guys on social media, I don't know their names. What's that guy? He became half well known during COVID. He was the guy that would go to all the rallies and then he was against vaccines and lockdowns and go to cops, and he was like a reporter. I'll find him. I'll show you, I'll show you. But anyway, uh uh not a reporter, he was like um backyard reporter. He did his own journalism or something like that. No idea. Anyway, I'll try to find him and I'll I'll let you know. But there's people out there that have opinions uh on certain topics or whatever it might be, and they'll they've got a decent following on social media, whatever it is. If there's now a risk to their life, to their friends, to their kids, to their business, is it worth it? Is it worth having that discussion? Is it worth the fame, the fortune? It begs a question. Like it makes you now think twice hey, maybe just gonna stay in my lane. That's my opinion. I'm not gonna go and express it to everyone. I'm just gonna do me. That's it. But then I think the world's a worse place because of that, then. If that's the case.

Robby:

Yeah, but so there would be well, very few people share their opinion anyway.

George:

Yeah, there's not there's more people that don't, yes. Way more. Yeah. Without a doubt. It would be like and then it's probably the ones that do, that's why they get so much of the publicity because it's so little or so few people that share that opinion. It's like the rallies that they recently had as well in Melbourne, the uh whatever it was, the Australia rally against immigration and how the governance of the country and all that sort of stuff. We spoke about that briefly, but it's like people went to that rally. What if what's happened since?

Speaker 01:

Nothing.

George:

Nothing I don't know. I'm really following it. Hey, nothing's happened. Has your life changed in any way? Have we overthrown the local and federal government? The same people are there, they're still doing the same fucking shit. What's happen what's changed? You had a huge amount of people in London. They had a million people at a rally. Did you see that? That was post that was post-Charlie? I think it was, yeah. It was. That a million people at a rally about um immigration and and the governance of the country and losing their identity and all that sort of stuff. But what's changed? What's changed? What has changed? Did you see recently Trump address the United Nations? Did you see that? Yeah. Only like yesterday, I think it was a couple of years ago. Do you see his speech? I saw highlights. Yeah, I saw parts of it too. I didn't see the whole thing. But yeah, he said some he's very Trump-esque. I like Trump, man. I I like I like what he's about. You know, he was there. I reckon world leaders would hate him. There'd be people there that wouldn't get wouldn't like him and his point of view. He was saying how climate change is a wrought, it's all you you're all stupid if you believe in it. You've got to go to fossil fuels, you um, you've got to stop uh illegal aliens coming into your country. He goes, We've done it. He goes, Look at what I've done in seven months. I'm the only one to do it. He goes, I'm the best. He goes, I've done the best. He goes, I'm not here to brag. He goes, but I'm the only one to have ever done what you guys all talk about. He goes, enough is enough. You're great countries are turning to shit. You need to do this, you need to do this. Like it was, I thought it was a good speech anyway. But so it says the United Nations, you're a joke. Like he goes, they're they're an absolute joke. He goes, What do they do? They write a nasty letter and nothing happens. He goes, You need to take action. He goes, I'm the only person to stop all these wars in seven months. Only person. I met with all the leaders, I've stopped all of those wars, saved thousands of lives. Have they stopped though? I don't know. But that's what he's saying. Yeah, I know. That's what he's saying. That's what he's saying. So I think there is a level of it throughout the whole world. You know, people are getting frustrated with a whole range of things. Maybe more people will start to stand up. Maybe the death of Charlie Kirk is the start of that revolution, is the inspiration that maybe people go, you know what? Because of him, I'm gonna do this now.

Robby:

There's one thing I know about human beings and human behavior. It's that people fall back to their ways.

George:

Yes.

Robby:

Whether it takes a week or a month or a year, people will go back to doing what they did. Comfort zone. They just sit there and do the same thing. Yeah, to the same path every single time. Most people will.

George:

Do you think you do that too? Yes. Yeah, I think there's a level of that for sure. I'll give you an example. Right? I had an operator operation two months ago, a while ago. More. More, yeah, probably two and a half months ago. I could be training every single day. But what have I fallen back into? The habit of coming into work, doing the hours, going home. Oh, I'll go tomorrow. I'll go tomorrow. I'll go tomorrow. So I haven't been back at that regular workout routine since, even though I very much want to. But it's just every day, oh I've got to do this, I've got to do this, I'll go tomorrow, I'll go tonight. And then, yeah, cool. I'll go once, twice a week here and there. But where's the consistent discipline? Every Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday, I'm at there at the gym working out, like I was pre-operation or pre-injury. So, yes, people do fall back into habits.

Robby:

And what's comfortable for them? Yeah. So is this a turning point? Yeah. Funnily enough, his company was called turning point. Yeah. Yeah.

George:

Funnily or maybe and maybe that got a pun intended. Yeah, maybe that got a a huge boost in people joining it and and being a part of that movement. Who knows? Is it is it enough if it inspires that one person that one day becomes president now? Enough what? I don't know. Enough of a change, enough of a poke, enough of a prod, enough of an inspiration that that one person that his death has affected now creates a future leader that changes the word for the better. Who knows? He's gone. He's gone. But that moment has that inspired something in someone else. I don't know. Or has it instilled fear into someone else? Gotten rid of that future leader. He was going to go for to become president. Yeah, that's true. But now he's like, you know what? Really good point. I'm why the fuck would I be president? Trump nearly died. This guy died. I believe in what they're doing, and I just I don't want to die. I'm just gonna sit here and just work as admin at local government.

Robby:

Do you follow Kence Owens? Yeah, I do. You like her? Yeah. Like Christian's about?

George:

Yeah, to a degree. Again, not deep. I'm not deep in her content, but I find that I agree with a lot of what she says. But I can't say everything because I don't know, I don't follow it that much. But um do you have a particular thing you want to mention about her? No, she's going deep on this. Like she's well, she was very she was friends with him, with Charlie as well, from my understanding. So there was a friendship there aside from the professional connection.

Robby:

She is going deep on this, and there's other people. I I don't know who's right here. She's going deep, saying, like, you know, someone took him out. There's no way a 22-year-old should planned this all by himself. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Someone's taking him out. There's been something something has happened somewhere, yeah, it's been planned, blah blah blah. Um, and then you got people on the other side who are like trying to completely discredit her now, yeah, and saying things like they're not even friends, you know what I mean? Like she's very conspiracy theorist and she got too rabbit hole for him and blah blah blah. And it's like, dude, I watched this side and I was like, hey, she's got a point. And then I watched the other side and I was like, oh my god, they've got a point. And it's like so easy to believe. A good argument is hard to then you see it and you're like, I fully discredited her to the point where I was like, oh, she might be a nutpack.

George:

Yeah, right.

Robby:

And then Harley was really good at too. Yeah, but then she she saw the content and responded and responded with facts, and I was like, Oh, she's on. Um, and it was cool, it's cool to see because um it's like what drew you to that?

George:

Do you know what I mean? You you're drawn to those conversations. So you were drawn to watch it, yeah. I know. But like there's a side are you taking a side yet? Or you're going, yeah, you know what? Fuck those guys. Well done, Candace.

Robby:

Or I I I think she can go too far down the rabbit hole.

George:

It's like even uh who was it? Jimmy Kimmel got cancelled. You saw with his show because he made comments about Kirk as well on some I don't I don't recall what it was, but yeah, he got cancelled for for his comments.

Robby:

Isn't that wild? Like all of all of a sudden there's like so much news. Isn't it wild? I don't know, maybe I'm just a conspiracy theorist.

George:

You definitely are.

Robby:

Must be definitely are. I just think it's crazy how all of a sudden like all this stuff's happening, and you know what I mean? It's like usually the news is like this celebrity, blah blah blah. It's like cool. Like, I don't care about that. Now it's like real people die and shit. Next level.

George:

Next level. Yeah, so very sad. Very sad, and it's a shame. I would have loved to have seen how he was gonna progress over the next 10 years, 20 years, 30 years. Maybe he would have been president one day, maybe not. Uh maybe he would have changed minds for the better. Who knows? Who knows?

Robby:

We um we were fortunate enough to see him.

George:

Yeah, true. True. And it was a surprise too. We didn't know we were gonna see him in person. It was good. It was good to come down and and actually see him have a chat. Have a chat have a chat with GC.

Robby:

Just have a yard. Um Yeah. I don't know. Has your life changed in any way since that event? No, I can't say it has. Do you feel less drawn to voice your opinion?

George:

I've found I've had arguments post with people on his point of views. But nothing's changed. Someone said, Oh, but this, and I'll say, No, that's ridiculous. It was with a friend or something who was saying, like he was pro uh against what he was saying. I said, No, how do you how can you justify that? It's this, this, this, and this. It's factual. Like I can't remember the context now, but it was something about what he was saying. But again, I'm open to the conversation. I'll I'll say, okay, poor, prove me wrong. Prove me wrong. Show me where it doesn't work, show me why that isn't the case, and then we can have, yeah, then maybe I'll change my mind.

Robby:

But until wild that that two people can see the same thing and have completely a place. Completely different.

George:

Like, how does someone like I it's you always see it, like even when they say always see that that that loop where they say what is a woman? It's like, okay, what is a woman? Oh, it's how you identify. No, go you haven't you haven't just identified as what as a woman. Yeah, but what is a woman? And they can't give that answer. They're just so stuck in their ways. And it's like, are they being dumb on purpose? Like, are they purposely just they know they're wrong, but they're just so deep that they can't back out? Is that what it is? Or are they just stupid? Or are they like are they unintelligent? Is that what it is? Or are they just completely brainwashed that it can be a feeling and it's like there's a difference between sex and gender? And like, what the fuck are you talking about? But they genuinely believe that. They genuinely look at you going, how do you not understand this? How do you not understand that you're not fluid? Like, how they and they're looking at you like you're the crazy person.

Robby:

How do you not understand that? Like, how do you not get that?

George:

I'm very fluid. I can tell.

Robby:

That's what fluent to everything, whatever you want. Anything, um, anything you want, just pay your bills, yeah. But do you know what I mean?

George:

It's a funny world. It is a funny world, it is a funny world. Um I feel like it's only been like the last five years that it's gotten crazy.

Robby:

You reckon? Or do you reckon you've just become more aware of it?

George:

I feel that uh maybe it's uh the idea. I always have this argument with people. I know what you're saying. I just no, I feel that people are more extreme now than what they were. I don't think it was like that back then.

Robby:

Yeah, but so no no, hold on. There's two things to to to look at here. One technology uh uh news travels quicker. This happens 50 years ago. We might hear of it. That's it.

George:

I just I think more people are influenced now because of it as well. So I think the societal societal pressures, yeah, and the views and all this sort of stuff, and people aren't have that lack of identity and they don't understand, they're not mentally strong in any way whatsoever. They're easily influenced. I think that's where it's people are maybe more mentally challenged now, which is why you're seeing more of it. That's where I think it's it's it's actually more, there's a quantity more people that are like that. I do, I I do think it's more than what it was. I'm not saying it never existed, I'm sure it was there and we weren't hearing what is what is more as in the number of what crazies, define crazies. I almost said I almost said I almost dropped the C bomb. Christmas. Yeah, uh, you're watching my content. Um just the quantity of them. I don't know. I just think I I don't see it a lot more. I just think there's a lot more quantity of people or groups of people moving in a certain direction, which is ridiculous.

Robby:

What if you were just oblivious to it before?

George:

It could be. I just don't think so.

Robby:

You don't reckon?

George:

I don't think so, no.

Robby:

Yeah, but why? Because like I okay, so the the most common one or the most recent one I can recall is someone said to me.

George:

Okay, I think I know why, okay.

Robby:

Someone said to me, someone said to me, the world's getting um, you know, the everyone's losing the plot and it's it's become really unsafe, and you know, there's all these robberies happening. And I'm like, what robberies? And they're like, there's all these robberies, you don't, you know, you don't watch the news. I'm like, nah. And they're like, there's robberies here, there's robberies there, people running through people's houses, you know. Melbourne used to be safe. And I'm like, dude, and and then someone actually proved this statistically, like there's less crime, yeah, statistically, but it just spreads quicker. Yeah. And I'm like, dude, two things. One, you don't think you were oblivious back then, like you're talking about 30 years ago. Like, you don't think you were fucking not paying attention, and you don't think the news spreads quicker? It's like the whole autism thing. Oh, there's more autistic kids now. You don't think we've got them better at finding it? Oh, more people get diagnosed with cancer. You don't think we've got them better at finding it earlier? Yeah, you know what I mean? Like, uh we are so quick to take the negative in. Like, so fucking quick, you know. Hey, the good old days. Do you know who coined that term? No, no one. Just fuck that guy, right? But like we're so quick to do that, dude. You're so quick to think, oh no, it's definitely worse now. But yeah, you hadn't even didn't even have the reason until a minute ago. And then you thought about it.

George:

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Robby:

Yeah, but you were so quick to naturally jump to that conclusion. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? And it it's it's it was the reality of the time back then. Yeah, your reality. That's right. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. But if you were oblivious, it doesn't mean that it was necessarily better. That's right. Hey, don't you real side note, but don't you wish you had stats on life? Like, don't you wish you could see how many steps you've taken? Yeah, like how many sneezes you've done in since 1984? How many shits you've taken? You're like, this is number 1,000.

George:

That would be Are you gonna drop that? Are you dropping a new app?

Robby:

That tells you all that. How would you keep stats on your whole life? There will be a time where we do like they put a chip into your baby and it's it.

George:

How many heartbeats?

Robby:

Yeah, you said they're like how long you've blinked. How long have I travelled? Yeah. Is that fucking K's 13Ks this week?

George:

It's great. Side note.

Robby:

I can't wait for that. Anyway, back to what you were saying. What's your reason?

George:

Oh no, look, I think just based off it's probably comes down to the information traveling quicker. That's what it has to be. That's definitely an element. Yeah, because it would change people's mindset. Like you could go back 30 years ago, but no one would be talking about um what gender they are at schools, but now you will. So is that just the information? Is it cultural? Is it now culturally more acceptable? Because you hear this shit at school. But there's that element too, yeah. There's a culturally. I think that's what's happened along the way as well. And it being more culturally acceptable, I think, has influenced people to go, oh, okay, well, then in that case, I am a cat and act like that. So I think there is as a result of it being culturally more acceptable, but I think that that person was always crazy. Yeah, potentially, potentially. And then back in 30 years ago, that per that same person being there and crazy uh wouldn't have said anything. That would have been a cat, that's ridiculous.

Robby:

Yeah, that would have the holds in there crazy. Yeah. And then they would have sat there to one of their friends and it's like, Do you ever think you're a cat? And their friend would sat there, shut up. You know what I mean? And it's like now it's just more accepted to speak about it.

George:

Yeah, but also then I I think that's a wrong thing too. Like if you're we say crazy, we we're using we're throwing that term lightly, but I'm gonna full force. Full force. Like, that's how he would full force. We have to have yin and yang. Hey, stop it, stop it. Full force.

Robby:

No, I'm gonna throw it lightly, fluid. Side note as well. If you've listened to this episode, it makes sense. But how good's gravity? Fantastic. That's what I'm thinking about on the way to work tonight. Imagine floating gravity. Gravity's a shit.

George:

Yeah, I've lost my train of thought. You were saying um crazy. If someone is like that, like I think they need help. It's got to be a mental thing before it's a physical thing, and you're gonna change your way and and butcher your body to start becoming a cat. Like, there's a meant there's a mental element of that.

Robby:

Um there is. I agree. I'm trying to work something out on this thing that's not working. Um watch, smartwatch, huh? Yeah, so tell me, tell me. If you don't have a smartwatch, what do you have? Yeah, a dumb watch.

George:

A dumb watch. Does your watch doesn't do anything? Does that screen? It doesn't I'm press button, I'm pressing the screen. Just tells the time. I don't think I'll ever buy another smartwatch ever again. Do you want to make a bet? No. I don't think I will.

Robby:

Hey. It's possible, but I don't think I will. I reckon you will. You reckon you will, dude. You reckon? Yeah. It's been a long time. Do you not change the way you do things after a while? Like, do you if you eat a food and you never like it, will you try it again in ten years? And like, maybe I'll like it now.

George:

I mean, I haven't. There's foods that I haven't had in ten years. Yeah, like there's certain things that I don't know ambition to try it either. Like what?

Robby:

Oysters. Isn't that isn't that the whole thing about being stuck in your ways? Like going back to your whole habits thing.

George:

Yeah, yeah, potentially. But if you also don't like like I could taste it, maybe you don't like the smell, and then you taste it, and it's like there's a little genuine disgusting.

Robby:

Scent goes directly in line with um Was that my phone that just went off like that? How rude. This is disgusting.

George:

Um, yeah, look, maybe I'll get a watch. I don't know. Uh at the moment, I I had a watch, I've had an Apple watch uh for a couple years, and I accidentally broke it. Like I came off my wrist, fell. No, I what happened? Yeah, I just dropped it and then the screen popped off. And it's like, oh, that's fucking annoying. And then for the weeks that followed, I didn't have my watch. So every time my phone would ring, my wrist wasn't vibrating. And I was like, fuck. I felt like I wasn't attached to this thing. And I felt great. And I know you can turn it off so it doesn't do that, and all that it does. But then it's like, well, I have that's what I want. I want to hear what's the point of having the smartwatch if it doesn't do it. Yes, I'm coming. Where are you? You know, it's all these ones. So yeah, I don't know. I don't think I'll I'll definitely not in the foreseeable future. I'd rather go and spend money on a nice analogue watch.

Robby:

Fair enough, if that's what works for you.

George:

For the time being. That's like people. I'll probably get a whoop before I get a watch. You should get a whoop. Yeah. Yeah. I think I get about that because um but then it's like then I have to wear it on my other hand. So I'm not too sure if I'm wanting to do that. That's why I got the ring, the aura ring. Yeah, I guess that's the same. Similar thing, similar thing. I think that's much better though. That's much more advanced than what this is.

Robby:

But I think they're pretty Are they? I think they're kind of maybe.

George:

Maybe. This only lies they say it lasts a week. It doesn't last a week. This lasts ten days. Does it? It's pretty good. This this lasts, I reckon, three, maybe four days.

Robby:

The last one used to last four days, three, four days.

George:

Oh, is that all?

Robby:

The last band. Yeah. Yeah.

George:

So that's a new one. Yeah.

Robby:

That's um This lasts over a week. Yeah, right. I'm sure. I I don't recall the last time I charged it. I can't remember. And you can check on your app. Yeah, and it warns you when you get to 20%. So you got two days to sort it out.

George:

Yeah. Sort out your life.

Robby:

Yep.

George:

Okay, so very sad with Charlie Kirk. Would you would you go out now? Me. Yeah, as in say someone said, Robbie, you've got to step up to the plate. You're gonna be the new Charlie. Would you do it? Knowing the inherent risk that comes with it. In Australia and America? Let's say America. Let's wherever. Well, you're gonna be world famous. Let's just say you are the next Charlie. Like they here, here's your ticket. You get all his followers, you get all his following, you have his point of views, go. Yeah. A few different skewed view views.

Robby:

Yes.

George:

Would you step up to the plate? Knowing that there's a risk not guaranteed.

Robby:

Yeah, but look, George, the reality is we're sitting here in Albert Park, and a truck could drive through this building and knock us out right now or a plane could crash out.

George:

It's like the girl on the train we said before. How do you look like she was in the wrong seat at the wrong time?

Robby:

Yeah, someone could come in and start shooting. Like there's always an element of some kind of risk. Do you know what I mean?

George:

Yeah. If it's increased.

Robby:

If the plane goes down, it's increased.

George:

Yeah.

Robby:

When you're in when you have a bigger impact.

George:

Yes. I'm saying if you took over Charlie's mantle.

Robby:

Yeah, I everything's increased. If you do more worldwide, you're on more planes. All of a sudden your your chances of going down in a plane increase.

George:

Yeah, that's right. If you fly every single day, if you fly once a year and then you're flying every week.

Robby:

Yeah, and you know who doesn't have any chance of going down? Person who never flies. So you make your decision. Who are you gonna be? You're gonna do this or you're gonna do that. Because remember, at the end of the day, he got shot at 31. You might die in your home at 91.

George:

Who's lived? Who's had more of a life?

Robby:

Who's gonna end up on coin, apparently?

George:

And you got the the highest uh what was it? The highest medal a civilian can get.

Robby:

Martyr.

George:

No, like as in from the president.

Robby:

Oh, did he?

George:

Yeah. What's that? Uh like a purple star or some shit like that. I don't know.

Robby:

A purple star?

George:

I don't know. He got some he got the highest possible. So Donald Trump gave him a an award, which was the highest award that a civilian can get in America. It's called something. I can't remember.

Robby:

I didn't see that. But good.

George:

I guess. That's what I mean. Yeah, as you said, like he's getting that. He's getting an award. Uh he's getting a a coin potentially. His company's grown, his following's grown, he's made more impact worldwide. We're talking about him in Albert Park. Two weeks later.

Robby:

Yeah, but the question, George, is will we talk about him two years later?

George:

Do you know who we haven't spoken about? Who? Kerwin Ray. Have you thought about him since the last time we spoke about him on this podcast after he passed away a year ago? I actually unfollowed him. Here it. I know.

Robby:

Here it is. Why'd you unfollow him? For that's seen his stuff. I just I don't know. I might I called you Doug. You might have done it.

George:

I don't even think it's active anymore, though. If it is, I haven't seen any of his posts for the longest time. Of course you haven't. There you go. Like someone following him. Maybe it was just on Facebook. I did. But anyway, regardless.

Robby:

Um, they're active as hell days ago. Oh, right. There you go. Yeah, posted times.

George:

Have you spoken about him? Have you thought about him since? Like none. But if he was around, you probably would have seen his post. You probably would have liked him. You're probably like, hey, let's go to this event next time. He's doing it. He's nail it and scale it. Haven't thought about him at all. At all. Until this very moment. I hadn't thought about him since. And that's a guy he impacted a lot of people in Australia, anyway. Like biz in that business space, most people, if you're a small business owner, would have either attended his event or known of him, seen his videos. People in overseas would have seen his videos. He had videos with millions of views.

Robby:

And he hasn't been there that long.

George:

Yeah, hasn't been that long either. Hasn't been that long.

Robby:

So, yes, to answer your question, would I take the step up to the plate? Yes, I would. 100%. Without a doubt. And that's why I'm gonna announce that the person running for Victoria Victoria Premiere is sitting opposite me right now.

George:

There you go. Do it! Hey, a lot of people hate Andrews and hate the current chick. I hated Andrews. I used to say I'd spit in his face if I walk past him. But there you go. Like, why? Why, George? Guy's just doing his job. Did a bad job, but he did it to the best of his abilities. And I bet you he thought he was doing the right thing at the time. Oh, 100%. You know what I mean? Joking he's out there? So he'd sit there opposite now. So if he was in this podcast and he goes, I did the best thing I thought was right at the time. Whether it was right or wrong as a developer. He goes, I was trying to protect. I'm surprised you're saying that. But do you know what I mean? Um I know, yeah, because I've been like very mature. I think he's a fucking press. No, no, he's a fucking idiot. He's an idiot. I'll take it all back. I'll take it all back.

Robby:

Um, but dude, you're right. You reckon if he he he you reckon he got off the press it's out there? I'll fuck these guys up. I'm making I'm making the worst mental grief for years to come.

George:

Like, I don't, I don't, I genuinely don't believe he did that.

Robby:

Of course he didn't do that. What you're like, imagine imagine walking off the thing and say, now I'm making some really bad decisions here, guys.

George:

And it'd be interesting to see. Like, had he known what he knows now and everyone knows what they know now, would you make those same decisions? Hindsight's a wonderful thing. I don't think he would ever admit that because it'd be people would come after him. But um what's the yeah?

Robby:

But yeah, there's sort of something. Even if there's yes, I would have, like, who cares? Yeah. It's an opinion. Face made a noise. Um face made of sound, yeah. Sound that changed your life, huh? That's right.

George:

I think about it all the time. I think about it all the time. It's whenever someone upsets me.

Robby:

Yeah, it's like his face made a sound.

George:

And there's a there's another thing too, there, right? It's like the it gives it meaning. If I swear at you, if I say the most vile thing to you right now in English, and then I say the same thing in Greek, you won't feel any like you're not gonna feel the same level of upset.

Robby:

I I would be more upset if it was in Greek. Would you? Yeah, you've got to be like trying to say trying to trying to swear behind my back. Trying to do it without me noticing, uh people put meaning to that's what it is.

George:

They put the meaning to the sound. Um and the meaning that you should put to these sounds that you're hearing through your ears right now is to get a huge urge to subscribe to the channel. Subscribe, tag your friends, share it with every single person in your life. That's what the urge should be, and how much the sound should affect you right now. Do that because it helps us, it helps us spread the word, help people, connect with more people, and hey, have conversations.

Robby:

Isn't it isn't it sad that this guy had to get shot in the neck to like he was famous before, yeah, but he had to get shot in the neck. He grew seven million followers after getting shot. And it's like, listen, help us grow seven million followers without the shooting. Yeah, exactly right. Fuck it. I mean we grow seven million followers or take a bullet. Shit. Maybe just a grace on the shoulder. Just a maybe the not doing it. That's it.

George:

Take it back. Um take it all back. But you know, it it's even why didn't we have the conversation about him before he got shot? He was still very like we still could have discussed his point of view. We still could have discussed, and we didn't. We never did. We only have we're having this conversation now because he got shot, because he's dead.

Robby:

Um he's been martyred. Martyred. Yes.

unknown:

Yeah.

George:

Yeah. Um we should speak about people who are not dead next time. Maybe we'll even bring some people on site who are on site in the podcast studio who are alive that we can actually talk to face to face. We're going to get some guests on in the near future as well, guys. We're going to bring some more people to you and bring you some uh insights, some different opinions, some discussions to help you grow, learn, and become the best version of yourself.

Robby:

Yeah, there is a link below as well. So if you do think you would be a suitable guest, fill out the form. I think it's million dollar days.com that are useful slash guests or be a guest or something like that. It's got the word guests in it. That's all I know. And if you don't get a response, you probably weren't qualified.

George:

Or you sent it to the wrong place.

Robby:

Yeah, or you sent it to the wrong place.

George:

That's it. Cool. All right. Excellent. Thanks a lot for joining us today. We look forward to having another chat in the coming weeks. Thanks everyone. Say uh.

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George Passas

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Robby Choucair

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