This Is Why It’s Called A Bucket List

A terrible $8.50 latte at the airport sparked a bigger question: why do we accept premium prices for mediocre products—and what does that teach us about business, loyalty, and how we spend our time? We unpack the power of location, the limits of traffic, and why quality plus service recovery is the real engine of retention. Price can ride on footfall once; value is what brings people back.

From there we zoom out to life design. We compare expensive that disappoints to expensive that delights—a thousand-dollar steak night that earns a repeat visit—and draw a straight line to bucket lists that actually happen. Disneyland with the kids isn’t a flex; it’s a memory machine. We talk practical goal setting, writing the list, and turning “someday” into dates, budgets, and bookings. If you only have forty more summers, which one gets Japan, the F1 with your son, or that first-time trip you keep postponing?

We also get tactical about home and health. Building a dream house with a sauna, ice bath, or hot tub isn’t just aesthetics; it’s a system for recovery, conversation, and better habits. We break down running the numbers, scoping the basement, and deciding which luxuries are actually life upgrades. On the health front, we favor habits over heroics: protein-forward eating, simple strength training, and sleep that sets up decades of energy. The goal is resilience that lets you say yes to experiences, not just grind through work.

The episode winds through leadership, regret, and what “providing” really means. Great businesses align price with experience and fix mistakes fast. Great lives do the same: set standards, be present, and choose moments you won’t trade away. Your move—write the list, pick one item, and put a date on it. If this resonated, follow the show, share it with a friend, and leave a quick review so more people can design their next forty summers with intention.

Chapters

• 0:00 The Eight-Dollar Airport Coffee Lesson
• 4:40 Location, Pricing Power, And Lost Loyalty
• 9:45 Feedback, Service Recovery, And Reputation
• 14:45 Value That Justifies Price: Steaks And Stories
• 20:05 Starving Crowds And The Hot Dog Stand
• 24:10 From Airports To Bucket Lists
• 28:50 Disneyland Dreams And Parenting Memories
• 36:20 Goal Setting, Timing, And Making It Real
• 43:10 Designing The Dream Home And Wellness Space
• 51:00 Experiential Wealth: Cars, Gyms, And Trips
• 59:20 Little Moments That Matter: Skis, Snakes, And Nostalgia
• 1:06:30 Health Habits Over Heroics
• 1:12:30 Quality Time Vs. Clocking In

Transcript

Robby: 0:00

The other day I uh I was invited to speak at an event in Brisbane. Excellent. And uh I drove to the airport, parked my car, went to the airport, uh had a morning flight, and I ordered a coffee. So my coffee and if you're watching this right now, these cameras on. I hope so. If you're watching this right now, I my coffee is a small almond latte. That's what I drink all the time, and usually I get a strong because most people make it weak. Because you're strong. Because I'm very strong, yeah. Strong man needs strong coffee. Anyway, so I went to the cafe after I'd checked in at the airport, ordered a small almond latte, and it was like eight dollars I think it was like eight dollars sixty-three or something like that. And I just looked and I thought, like, really? Like that's expensive. Anyway, so I paid for it. I was like, at the airport? At the airport, yes. So I paid for the coffee and I grabbed my coffee, it was hot as anything. So I'm sitting there for ages waiting for it to cool down. 20 minutes later, I take my first sip, and it was horrible. It was so bad. So disappointing when that happens. Dude, so bad. And I just remember thinking this is a roar. Like, like this is beyond nothing, this is not hard to get right. You know what I mean? You got one job. You're a cafe. This is not that difficult. I can make a better coffee at home and I I'm not a cafe. Or a barista. Or a barista. This is not that hard, right? But anyway, so the lesson I took from that was a couple things. One, I don't spend much time at the airport recently. I used to spend so much time at airports, but now it's like I might catch five, six flights here.

George: 2:03

Yeah. Catch them one next week.

Robby: 2:05

Catching one next week. Or the week this airs. Yes. Yes. This week. Um but one thing's for sure, I won't be buying that coffee again. But what I did learn was, hey, if there's if you're in a good position, you can make sales even if your product shit. Like even if and I I did a little, I put up a little thing on my story. And I was like, you can be in the worst position, and this will get you, you'll you'll still get a sale. Like if you get traffic, you'll still get a sale. You may not get resales, which they won't. I'm not gonna buy that coffee again, but they were in the right spot, everyone in the morning, lots of foot traffic, needed coffee, paid $8.50. And they were able to charge a premium price, you know, and and we're based in uh for those of you who are in Melbourne, this studio that this is being recorded out of, we're in Albert Park right now. I found Albert Park to be very much similar in the sense of most uh things, there's some really good things, but most things are not great. Most products, like the chicken chop down the road is the worst, and they'll charge you 20 bucks for a chicken and salad. And you're like, Salbert Park. For a quarter chicken and salad. And it's like you can get you you can get away with that. I went to get my jeans altered, and I was like, how much to take this much off? And she's like, fifty dollars. And I was like, the fucking jeans cost me $50. Anyway, um, yeah, went down. I went to two blocks over, yeah. I went two blocks over. It's like we're in a different three bucks. Yeah, and it cost me uh it cost me less than half. Yeah, yeah.

George: 3:43

Um, wild, wild. Hey, I saw that post, and that was an excellent post. Yeah, it was just a story, but it was an excellent story. Like it was you anyone who had seen that and actually read it would have got a great lesson from it. Yeah. If you're in business, like you're never like we're gonna go to Brisbane at some stage together. Yeah, I'm sure in the next few years we'll be crossing paths in Brisbane. We're gonna walk past that cafe and you're gonna say, Hey, that's the one, do not buy a fucking coffee from here. Yeah, they're gonna lose business. They've lost business, but they got you that time. And I guarantee you there's a lot of other people that'll walk past that place and just go, yep, I'm gonna have a coffee. Now, $8.50, let's just say, that's ridiculous. It is a ridiculous price. That's a good coffee price. For a bad coffee, too. Like that's even worse. Small, small. When we drove to sit Adelaide, sorry, and went to Ararat Maccas, that was the worst coffee I've ever had in my life. Yeah, but it was Maccas. But it was Maccas, it was three bucks, four bucks. Yeah, yeah. So it was kind of hit or miss. We were desperate. But in saying that, at a cafe in an airport, like you're right. In that instance, as the business owner, you should almost give them some fucking feedback. You know, yeah, you almost go. You'd be like, hey, this is a donor of this. Yeah, this is ridiculous. Yeah, this is I go, fair enough, charging eight bucks. Okay, supply and demand. You are in the busiest spot, you're the only cafe here. People are gonna walk past, want a coffee, get on their plane. Get it. That's cool. Charge your airport fee, no sweat. But but and look, maybe they maybe their rent there is astronomical that they have to charge eight dollars. Yeah, that's fine. So it could be it could be balancing out. We get that. But make a good fucking coffee. Yeah, do it.

Robby: 5:28

Make a good fucking coffee. I was like, had I gotten a good coffee, that story wasn't going up.

George: 5:32

There you go.

Robby: 5:32

I got in a good coffee. Oh, is that there? Like, you know what, this was pricey.

George: 5:35

You'd probably go get one. It was a good coffee. You'd probably get another one next time you were there. And you'd say to me, hey, let's get a coffee from here. It was a fucking great it was eight bucks. Yeah. Best eight dollars I've ever spent. You know what? I'll buy you a coffee.

Robby: 5:45

I had um it's funny you mentioned that. There's a couple ways I want to go with this. But one, I had a friend uh call me up the other day and he goes, Hey, have you been to um he goes, have you been to Steer? And I said, Nah, Steer's a very high-end steakhouse, steakhouse, yeah. Like really high end. Yeah. I was like, nah, is it good? He goes, A. He goes, it's fucking expensive. He goes, but he goes, it's fucking great. He's like, I'd do it again. I was like, how like how expensive? He's like, probably a thousand bucks. Jesus. How many of you were there? He goes, two. I was like, four. Yeah, I was like, all right, that's expensive. Yeah, absolutely. And he's like, Yeah, yeah, he goes, very expensive. He goes, but uh it is by far nothing comes close, best steak I've ever had in my whole life. Yeah, right. Yeah, and I was like, okay, like he and that's but that's a perfect example, same sort of thing, same concept, really expensive thing. Value exceeded what he paid. He's like, Yeah, I'll go back. Yeah, everything was amazing, everything. He goes, everything was sick, like it was it was a hanging and go back.

George: 6:44

Yeah, we're I'm gonna check it out. Fuck it. Let's go. Let's go. Hey you can tell his mate. I'm don't fuck around. We can tell your mate. I'll go.

Robby: 6:53

Um but yeah, I I I think um we could we could put it on our bucket list. That could have gone that could have gone many, many different ways with the coffee. And it went one way only. And they got me. And I'll tell you what, which is fine.

George: 7:08

There's another thing. I would have probably done the same thing. You'd have an expectation that I'm gonna get a coffee. All right, it may not be the best coffee, it may not be the coffee that I love, but to be bad at that price, that's not and it's like it's like where you know, is that happening in your own business?

Robby: 7:23

And what are you what measures are you putting in place to make sure that if it does happen, that it doesn't go sideways. That can go, that could go horribly wrong. I could go back and be like, uh, this is a horrible coffee, and you could get into an argument with them. Or you could go back and be like, it's a horrible coffee, and they can be like, We're so sorry. Do you want us to replace it or we fund you?

George: 7:44

Yeah. Which would be the right thing to do as a business.

Robby: 7:47

Yeah.

George: 7:48

Oh, dude, not all businesses do that. They would not I I I reckon there's more chance that they would say, fuck off, we have more coffee. Look how busy we are. Like, too bad, man. I can't control your taste buds. That's probably what they would say. There's a difference between controlling my taste buds and serving up shit. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Fair and like I get that. Yeah. This is rubbish. This is rubbish coffee. Yeah.

Robby: 8:11

Um, yeah, that's it it does happen in businesses though. It happens where you go back and you get flack for going back to the city. Dude, I went to I I had a um this was a few weeks back now. I had gone to McDonald's and ordered a burger. That was it. And well, I didn't get to eat it because they made the wrong burger. So I went back and said, hey, this is fucking wrong. So they start arguing with me, and I said, no, no, that's wrong. Like that's I I and then I'm waiting for like 10 minutes, and then they come back and tell me to go park. And I said, no, no, don't want the burger, give me my money back. So they try and refund me for the burger only. And I'm like, no, no, give me the whole fucking meal. And they're like, Oh, but you've still got the drink. I was like, Yeah, have your fucking drink. Give me the like I want my whole like you know what I mean. And I got into an argument in drive-thru. Full blown left upset. Wrote a one-star. Do you want to see my review? Dude, wrote a full-blown one-star review for this McDonald's. You're that big. Hey, I was upset. Um, you're gonna laugh at this, George. You're so good. This is gonna make you day.

George: 9:26

I've only I don't I very rarely do that. That someone would have to really upset me to write it once. Hey, hey, I was I was like fumin. I I they lucky you most people don't check, they just take the bag and drive off, and then they check the I drove off down the road, came back, yeah, came back and said hey, and then got I said McDonald's.

Robby: 9:46

This is my review. I'm gonna read it to everyone. So one star, you can check it out. McDonald's works great. McDonald's is a phenomenal business. The fact that you can hire people who can take your burger order, get it wrong, take forever to pay attention to you, attempt to blame you for how you ordered it, and then try only partially refund you and still make money as a business, phenomenal. Exceptional business, horrible franchise. Phenomenal business. You guys can still make money. Fuck, like I don't know how you do that. If we did that to our clients, I would be broke. But fuck these guys, they pissed me off, dude. Absolutely pissed me off. Um, and then I could have had the same experience with the coffee. I'm scarred from that experience. I'm like, now I don't want to return shit. Do you know what I mean?

George: 10:28

Um, but yeah, airport coffee, get it together, guys. I think I can't remember who said this, and I don't think it was Hormosy, but I think he said it after someone else. And it's like if you have a hot dog stand, do you know the one? Yeah. Can you say it? Because you'll know it better than I do. I'm sort of paraphrasing off the top of my head.

Robby: 10:49

Yeah, yeah. So he says, um, if you have a hot dog stand and you wanted to have the you wanted to sell out every single time. Well, how are we gonna how are we gonna do it? What are we gonna do what are the things you're gonna do? People say, like, you know, have the best buns, yeah, have the best meat, get uh a variety of sauces, blah, blah, blah. He's like, you just need to start steamer, that's it. Yeah, it's like that's all you need. You need a starving crowd. You could have the most mediocre hot dogs ever, and if you're outside the footy and everyone comes out half pissed and hungry, you're gonna start. Yeah, and this is and that's exactly what happened. That's exactly what they're in a good position. And another thing is people forget.

George: 11:23

Oh, without a doubt. That's fine.

Robby: 11:25

If I don't go back to the airport for two years, and then you and I are standing there and we order a coffee, and then I sip it again, and I think, fuck.

George: 11:32

If we ever drive past through Ararat again, if we ever drive through there, I don't know why we would want to, but if we ever did, there's a good chance they're gonna stop at that macers and just go, you know what, surely they've learned in the five years since my last coffee here. Surely they've gotten better. And we're gonna get one, and it's gonna just crush my life and dreams.

Robby: 11:53

Speaking of dreams, you know, speaking of dreams, uh, you know what else I was thinking about at the airport while I was sitting there? Thinking that I don't come here much anymore. To Bruzi? No, no, to the airport. Oh, yeah. Like I don't I used to do it at one point I was like catching flights every year. Listen, I I had silver quantas membership or whatever the fuck. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like a proper one. My thing went up to the next level.

George: 12:16

Uh my virgin frequent flyer, whatever is. Um anyway. See, then it went down. Then it they degraded me. Oh, do they? Quantus did. Okay. I think Virgin, when you get it, you keep it. I think. Don't quote me on that. But with Quantas. And say George, did you keep it? Yeah, it's going on. Uh Qantas, they they took it off you because you don't fly enough. Um I don't know if I like that.

Robby: 12:40

But well, if it's called a frequent flyer and you're not frequently flying. Yeah, I guess. I guess. It's like built into the name, man. It's kind of what they expect. Um, but yeah, when I was there, I was thinking to myself you know, there's different uh airport trips. Like the airport trip when you're going to travel, like for a holiday, is very different to the airport trip when you're going to travel for business.

Speaker: 13:06

Yeah.

Robby: 13:07

You know, you're traveling for business, you've got the laptop out, you're constantly doing stuff. Uh whereas like when you're traveling for a holiday, it's like you're in a whole different world. So I started thinking to myself, okay, cool, man. I'm probably due to book a trip. And I've got this list of all these places. Some might call it a bucket list. You like my segue? Yeah, that's like some might call it a some might call it a bucket list. Uh and I I think bucket lists are cool, man. I think it's cool to have a list of things that you know you kind of want to tick off in your life at some point. And whether you do or don't, it's like it's about the the having the thing to look forward to more than anything else. Yeah. You know what I mean? Having the okay, cool, I also want to do this. You know, I feel like life would get pretty boring if you had everything you wanted. And I think that's gonna happen for some people with the whole AI revolution, but we'll save that for another episode. Um but yeah, so I'm looking at uh ticking a couple of places off my bucket list, and I thought, well, you thought we could talk about that as a topic. So do you have a bucket list, George?

George: 14:25

Yeah, there's things I I don't know, I don't actually have a list of things that I want to do in my life. No physical list. Not a physical list or written down anywhere digital or anything that I like. However, there are things that I want that I know that I want. What do you want before I kick the bucket?

Robby: 14:40

Before you is that why they call it a bucket list? Yeah, I reckon. Did we just work that out then?

George: 14:45

I reckon, I reckon, yeah.

Robby: 14:47

Had you I think that's exactly why I call it a bucket list before you kick the bucket. Did you um did you know that before 10 seconds ago?

George: 14:54

No, I think I've just put two and two together as we're speaking. So yeah. So are the people. What an enlightening podcast. You know what you should all do right now after that piece of gold is you should go to YouTube and subscribe to our channel because we're trying to get to a thousand followers by the end of the year. I'm not too sure where we're at at the moment. Big stretch. We're a big stretch, but that's okay. One, two, ten, fifteen, a hundred, five hundred, I think we need. Whatever it is, we'd love for you to join us. We post all the content from our podcasts and then some. So jump on their million dollar days pod and subscribe to our YouTube channel. That would be amazing and we'd greatly appreciate it. Now, back to the bucket list. Yeah, there's things that I definitely want to achieve in my life. One of them I might actually do in about a month's time.

Robby: 15:45

Yeah, what's that?

George: 15:46

I want to take my family. Yeah, about a month's time. Month and a week, five weeks. I want to take no, sorry, two months' time. Where are we? Are we in November? Yeah. Fuck. Five weeks time. Jesus. Man, how fast are you gone? Have you done anything on your bucket list this year?

Robby: 16:05

Me, I've done a few things.

George: 16:08

Yeah. I went to the States. I mean, that was cool. Yeah. Yeah, that was cool. That whole trip was was fun. Yeah, yeah. And definitely glad I did it. So I want to take my kids to Disney, uh, my family to Disneyland. So we might have an opportunity to do that uh over the Christmas period, actually. So just got to find the right flights um and and take them there. And there's two things. So the nostalgia of it. When I was a kid, I always wanted to go to Disneyland, but never did. I think I don't think it was really on the radar of my parents, bog parents. Wasn't feasible. Yeah, feasible. Probably maybe not feasible. And I think there's the always that dream, you know, the happiest place on earth, all that sort of stuff. And then all the cartoons that we grew up watching as kids will be on display there, no doubt, and plus a whole range of other things. But there's another reason now that I've got kids. I want to selfishly go to Disneyland so I can remember my kids at Disneyland.

Robby: 17:05

Do you feel like you experience it through them?

George: 17:08

I think I think I will, yeah. I want to have I want them to just say, Yeah, we've been to Disneyland. I want them to feel that happiness, that excitement, everything that comes with going there. And, you know, that that's the biggest thing I think for me as a parent. I want to experience as much as I can with my kids, whilst they're kids. Whilst they're kids. I don't think I'll ever look back at my life and regret spending more time with them. And I think a lot of people, a lot of things that I see of people who are older, who have older kids, they say the same thing. Spend as much time as you can with your kids. Do as much as you can with your kids because one day it'll be over. One day they won't be kids anymore. They'll be adults, they'll move out of home. You're gonna wish you heard them. They were arguing, the whatever it is, the happiness, the laughing, the crying, everything. So do as much as you possibly can. So for me, I want to do, I want to take them to do some. Yeah, I I think I'm gonna finish this and go look at flights right now. Yeah, let's just make it up. Let's just make it happen.

Robby: 18:05

Yeah.

George: 18:05

So yes, that's one of my bucket list items.

Robby: 18:08

It's like the flights are not gonna get cheaper.

George: 18:09

No, that's not gonna get yet. No, well, I was kind of waiting to get the business flights to find the right reward flight so I can use my points to get over there. But I just think the time of year and timing now, I don't think I'm gonna find it. Yeah.

Robby: 18:20

You know, like it's uh I'll get flights.

George: 18:24

Yeah, that's it. Just get there. I don't always have to fly business. Like just get there. I'm sure I could even upgrade it whilst we once I get the flight anyway. I might have the opportunity to upgrade. But anyway, so that is something I do want to achieve. And I think it's great to have something. I think the great thing about bucket lists and goal setting as well is you can go through a whole year and not do anything.

Robby: 18:48

Just real quick on your flight note as well. The trip to America is way easier than the trip to Europe. Yeah, from the time difference, way easier. Yeah, and from every element, like the flight is an easier flight. It's less, it's less time on the plane.

George: 19:03

Yeah. Well, what was it? Is it 16 hours?

Robby: 19:05

16, 17 hours, yeah. Oh, it was about it was about 16 to land in the US, yeah, and then wherever you fly. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Um, but Europe's like 20 something. Like you didn't have a 12-hour flight, then a 10-hour flight. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, back to job.

George: 19:20

Yeah. Back to what we're saying. So I think with goal setting and your bucket list, I reckon it's good whether it's at some stage of the year. I don't think it has to be. I know we're coming towards the end of the year and it's New Year's resolutions. I don't think it has to be at that time. You can do it any time. Just wake up and decide. But having it set and written down, your proper goals, say you have a list of 10, 5, 12 goals, whatever you've got written down. One of those goals should be a bucket list item. Should be something that's like, okay, this is a really this is something I've always wanted to do. And if you have the opportunity to do it, go and do it.

Robby: 19:58

What else? Uh so taking your kids to Disneyland. Yep. It's something you have on that.

George: 20:03

Yeah, it's a family holiday like that. Yeah.

Robby: 20:04

Yeah. But specifically to Disneyland. Specifically to Disneyland in the US?

George: 20:09

I'd say so, yeah. It's just English speaking country. It'd be easier to get around and do it.

Robby: 20:14

There's a few, there's a few Disneylands. Yeah, I think there's one in Tokyo.

George: 20:18

Oh, is there one in China? I'm pretty sure, yeah. Oh, cool. I didn't know that. I know I knew there was one in Disneyland. Uh, sorry, in fucking Disneyland. It's that country in Tokyo, in Japan. You're gonna be in a whole different world. Yeah, it is. It's a whole different world. Uh, and you know, some friends are going there as well, so it'd be great to go with another family at the same time as well, because our kids are friends and all that sort of stuff too, and we're friends too, so yeah, that works well too. So there's that. Um I've always wanted a supercar as well. So like a Aston Martin, Lambeau, that sort of thing. I've like I've always ordered Porsche, like GT3 or something like that, or a turbo. Actually, I probably want to go with GT3, but those supercars. I've always wanted uh one or a garage of uh of those cars. If I had to pick one right now, I'd probably go Porsche, actually. No, no, as in do you want one or do you want a garage of? Oh, yeah, garage of. Yeah, let's not fuck around. Garage of for sure. So yes, that's definitely on my list too.

Robby: 21:30

What else? What are some weird like like I've always like this is one that I've always had in my head, like I've always wanted to have my own, like build my own house.

George: 21:39

Yeah, that's cool. I know a good builder. Yeah. Just one. Just one? Just one.

Robby: 21:45

I know any other ones. Just one. Um that's something I've always liked. Yeah. Like to be able to design and think. Yeah. You know, I um I went to the Gim this morning.

unknown: 21:57

Okay.

Robby: 21:57

And yeah, thanks.

George: 21:59

You still at the Saint? Yeah. Yeah, still like. I was thinking about it last night, funny enough. I was sorry to interrupt. That's right. I was watching YouTube and I've came across this YouTuber and he had four and a half million followers. And he's quite, I can't remember his name. I'll find it later, but he was quite big and he was going to the world's most expensive one of the world's most expensive gyms, which was $50,000 a year, US. So it's quite expensive. And I walked in, I'm like, oh, he was showing us around. I go, this isn't that great. I thought the Satan was actually better than that gym. But it was interesting to see, you know, what they were doing and how they could justify their price tag of this much money. And that people are paying it. And people were paying it. Yeah. Yeah. There was people in there paying, you know, four and a half grand a month or whatever it was to be to have a membership there. Um and we don't really have things like that here. The Saint is probably the closest thing to it. I don't know if there's other gyms out there that are like that. Where you're paying a thousand dollars a month for a membership? Yeah, maybe.

Robby: 22:59

Um a thousand dollars a week at 50k, yeah. No, I'm saying the the Saint. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um yeah, I was I was there this morning and I was thinking so the the and you didn't see this part of it, but the the part where the the sauna and the ice baths are and stuff. Like it's pretty cool. I'll try and find you a photo actually. Yeah. Um and it's quite cool, right? Like it's the the venue, it's like it's got a it's got a level of uh wow to it. Yeah. Yeah, look. The top image. Oh, that's cool, man. Oh, it's cool as, dude. And I'm sitting and I was sitting in the hot tub this morning, and I remember thinking to myself, I would love to have this. Is that the actual is that the actual one? That's actually it, yeah.

George: 23:49

That's fucking cool.

Robby: 23:50

Yeah, it's sick. And I was like, I remember thinking to myself, like, I'd love to have this. Imagine having this, like maybe not of that size, but something like that in your own house. Oh, a hundred percent. Do you know what I mean? It's like you've got a basement space where you're like, cool. This is my I've got a sauna, yeah, I've got an ice bath, I've got a hot tub, and I can just go and like even if you just want to okay, you're gonna like you're gonna watch YouTube instead of sitting on the couch and watching YouTube, sit in the sauna. Yeah. Or sit in the ice bath. Do you know what I mean? Or like sit in the hot tub and watch YouTube.

Speaker: 24:20

Yeah.

Robby: 24:20

And it's like, that would be very cool. Or like it's like, cool, come past, we're gonna kick back. And like instead of kicking back, like, let's go kick back in the sauna and have an ice bath and talk shit. Feel good. Whatever, yeah, exactly. Look after it. Instead of, yeah, instead of you know, having a drink or or doing something, yeah, you know what I mean, that's not as as good for you. It's like cool, like let's do that. It's like the people who go for walking meetings, like that's a good habit. Yeah, right. Um that's a big like thing I think about now, especially like being in my 30s, and I was thinking like, cool, like this is something that if I wanted to come to fruition, I need to start putting things into action sooner. Yeah, do you know what I mean? It's like cool, if you want to build your own house, you need to start taking some level of action towards it.

George: 25:07

Yeah, it's not gonna just happen in the gyms and the basement. Yeah, yeah.

Robby: 25:10

You want like you want that, it's like, okay, cool, what's this gonna cost? What does it cost to build something like that? If I was to build this in my house, like if I could you can go down, like you can dig a basement, like okay, if I was gonna build this in my basement, what would it cost? Yeah, is this gonna be an extra 300k, 400k, 500k? How much is this gonna cost me to have? And now that I know the actual and like running the numbers, we've spoken about this previously, but like running the numbers is like exciting. Because then all of a sudden you're like, hey, is this real? Like, we're really doing this? Do you know what I mean? Like, is this actually something that can be done? Yeah, you know, and then you'll you'll quickly learn whether you're willing to do what's required or you're gonna be like, oh, I don't want that dream anymore. You know what I mean? I don't want that, I don't want that space in my home.

Speaker 1: 25:54

Yeah.

Robby: 25:55

Um, yeah, designing my own family home.

George: 26:00

Yes, I agree with that one, and that's on mine too. Yeah. Yeah, to build that my own home from start to finish, I think it would be cool. And it's not just building it, it's also I'm excited, say, I I think I'm definitely a giver. Do you know what I mean? I enjoy giving more than I like receiving. And I think that doing that process even for my wife and say, here, like design your dream home. I want these things, just put these things in it somewhere. You know, let me have a little corner. Yeah. But you go and do whatever you want to do, design whatever you want to design, speak to this guy, he'll sort you out. You wouldn't be involved? Oh, look, I would. I'd give advice, obviously, because I'm good at it and I know what I'm doing, yeah, as far as certain things and how we go about building it.

Robby: 26:43

But I would say this is less about a knowledge and more about preference. Yeah. Like I like dark themes. Yes, yes. I want this feature wall. Yeah. I want to be able to go to bed and lay down and the TV's on the roof. Yeah. Whatever it is, right? Or I want a projector this big or a cinema room or yeah.

George: 27:03

So these are these are the sorts of things that I would definitely want too. And I think we've got some similar styles as well, but again, I'd be relatively happy with her doing that aspect. Yeah, just do, I'll just I'd just be pumped to build it and to have that for her and for our kids as well and our family. So, yeah, so I want to do that. I also want to have, say, a holiday house. Now, whether it's down by peninsula or countryside, I'm not too fussed. I'm not too fussed. But I would like something like that too. Even on like Acreage, I don't mind either. I think that would be pretty cool. Yeah. And getaway. And building, yeah, like a getaway place. So whether, as I said, countryside, uh it wouldn't bother me, so whether I went I don't know, Mansfield kind of way, or whether you go down peninsula. Either or maybe you could do both. Peninsula and go to like Red Hill. Where's Red Hill? It's like Peninsula, but back side of it.

Robby: 27:57

Yeah, okay. Um Okay, so a couple of homes.

George: 28:02

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. We've got the homes, got the supercars, got the holiday. I think at the end of the day, just doing experiential things too. I wanted to I want to take my son to the F1 in other countries. I think that'll be cool to go and do. So maybe a Singapore or even the States. There's a few races in the States. Monaco, who knows? Just go and do something like that with him. So something my wife is doing next year, which I still might do as well. But I've just booked tickets for them to go overseas. My son and my wife that want to go and do a little holiday together. It's something that she's wanted to do for a long time. And initially I was a bit uncomfortable with it because I don't want to travel on their own. Like I've the protective nature of me coming in. I'll be there. I need to be there to look after everything and everyone. But I think it'll be a good trip for her and for him and for them together.

Robby: 28:58

Just your son?

George: 29:00

Yeah. So I'll stay home with my daughter. And it's not, look, it's not a long holiday, it'll be two weeks, two and a half weeks, something like that. Yeah. But they'll just go to Europe and then we've got family there too, so that's fine as well. So and there'll be some friends there that they'll travel with as well. So there'll be people there. So it's not like they're going to be entirely on their own in the Alps hiking. Yeah. Yeah.

Robby: 29:20

So there is a level of uh that's how you're framing it.

George: 29:24

So you can see you can like a justify. Yeah. So but look, I still might go next year myself, but it'll be sort of a decide next year if I do it. But there that's already booked, done, dusted, and that's that's great too. So I think experience. Daddy daughters. That's uh well, that's kind of the concept too. Like the idea will be I'm not gonna be working. I'm not gonna be for the two weeks that they're away just at the office and then dumping her at my mum's or in laws or staying here for the next two weeks. Map out that could be sick, dude.

Robby: 29:52

Map out your two weeks and sit there like this is what we're gonna do. Yeah, with them. I rather do cool shit. We're gonna do this on day one and this on day two.

George: 30:00

Yeah, so I'll think absolutely, absolutely. So there, there is that aspect of it as well. So I might do a couple dates, might even go interstate with her. Yeah. Go do something like that. We'll go like that. Climb to Sydney Harvard Ridge or something.

Robby: 30:10

Go to a different part of Europe.

unknown: 30:11

Yeah.

Robby: 30:12

Go to Italy. So yeah. So then we're going to fly business. We'll teach it. We'll show them. Yeah. That's cool. No, yeah, I think that's cool.

George: 30:22

Yeah. Yeah, it is. So I I reckon, you know, bucket list, kick in the bucket. You want to look back at your life and just go, yeah, how good. How good. And and you see a lot of I've seen them in the past anyway, of older people that they'll say, oh, you know, you're you're old, you're finished, you're at the end. What do you regret? And none of them ever, ever, ever say, I regret making less money. I regret not spending more time in the office sending emails. I regret, I don't regret, uh, sorry, I regret um not chasing that business deal. It's always life things. It's like I always regret not taking that chance, not asking that girl out on a date, not experiencing working at a different company. I worked at the same company for 40 years. Like it was always, or you know, not spending more, not telling my this person I loved them, or not spending more time with my kids. I spent I dedicated it to work and whatever it might be. And, you know, I've sold this story in the past at other events, not particularly front-end ones, but other events where I had this guy that I used to work with many years ago, don't even know his name. I never actually met him directly. It was at an Abbey Group and it was at the Christmas party, and there was about 300 people at the Christmas party, and he was getting an award from the directors for 25 years service. Right. So he was getting a nice little plaque or whatever it might be. And he gets up at the front, like they give him a big raving review, dedicated employee, this, this, this. And everyone's like clapping, well done, cheering. He gets up on the in front of the lecton and he's like, okay, he goes, Thank you very much for this award. He goes, I've I've dedicated my life and my career to the company. I'm always at the first one on site. I'm the last one to leave. My projects are always on time, they're to the highest quality. I've worked on award-winning projects. A lot of the reason why you know these projects were successful because of me and all the dedication I put in. And he goes, you know, it's it's it's an amazing achievement. And he's like pauses, and I like I was 22, 23, 24, something. So I was young. Not now, not like now. I'm old. I'm over the hill, close to kicking the bucket. And he goes, he was he had a slight pause. And he's like, I missed my I missed my girl, my child's, my daughter's uh ballet rehearsal. He goes, I missed my son's grand finals. He goes, I was working most Saturdays and Sundays, so I didn't even go to the games during the week. He goes, I took my four holiday, my four weeks' holiday at the at the end of each year, because never really went away before that. And you know, I missed out on a lot of stuff. And he goes, there are things I will never get back. He goes, I will never get those moments back. I will never get that time with my kids, with my family, because I've dedicated so much of my time and my profession here, thinking that that's what was important and that's what I needed to do. And it's like the whole room went silent. Like the directors in the corner, they're just their jaw drop. And he's like, he goes, My advice to you is work is always going to be there. He goes, There's always going to be the next job. There's always going to be this moment and this pressure and this time frame and this budget. That's always going to be there. He goes, take the time and spend it with your family, spend it with your kids, go on the holidays, take your annual leave during the year, go on that experience, do that thing that you always want to do. He goes, Because this is not the meaning of life. He goes, This award, he goes, he goes, honestly, it means it's a reminder of what I gave up. That's faking the yeah, and me as a 25-year-old or 24-year-old, however old I was at that time, and I when I listened, I was like, fuck. Mind you, I've no obligations to anything, to anyone, just myself at that time in my life. And I was like, wow, like that hit me at that early, at that age. So I yeah, I try and keep that at the back of my mind with most things now. Especially now that I've got a young family too.

Robby: 34:24

Yeah. Do you think that impacts what you do now?

George: 34:33

Yeah, I yes, subconsciously. I don't think about that story every single day. But yeah, I think it would. I think it would. There's times where I do feel guilty because I'm working too much, but then there's also times like, okay, well, this is this is a father's sacrifice, a man's sacrifice. I I've got a strong belief about that as well. You know, I can't be home all the time. If I was home all the time, we wouldn't have the life that we have. It's as simple as that. If I was home all the time, if I was always doing the the if I was cooking dinner every night, if I was taking the kids to school, if I was picking them up from school, if I was doing all of those things, we wouldn't have the life that we have. I wouldn't be able to give them the opportunities that they have in their life. Read this, saw this cool thing the other day. Not sure if I've mentioned it before. But if I saw my kids when I was a kid, I would think that they are rich kids.

Robby: 35:20

Yeah, you mentioned that.

George: 35:21

Yeah, and I thought that like that that just really stuck with me. And it kind of made me a little bit proud and going, okay, that's that's fucking cool. All right, keep going. Keep going. There's still levels to it, there's still more that you can do.

Robby: 35:32

But regardless. What was the what was the explain what the pride was there?

George: 35:43

To the in the sense that uh uh yeah, good question. Yeah, good question. I'd say the pride would be in the sense that I've I've you know if you Is it like uh if you if you frame yourself as say the provider, I don't like that. I'm not just the provider, there's more to it. But let's just say your one of your primary roles as the father, as the man is to provide for your family, you're kind of ticking that box.

Robby: 36:06

Yeah, so is it kind of like a okay, um, the work I'm doing, the there's progress. Yeah.

George: 36:14

Yeah, without a doubt. There's progress, there's result as well. So I'm looking at that, it's like, you know, my son goes to a private school, and next year we're looking at putting, or the year after, we're looking at doing the same with my daughter. Now, even for me to be in a position where I can put them both in private schools, that's like a bit of a pat on the back for myself. And my wife, you know, she's contributed too to that because it's not just me working, making all the money. I couldn't do what I do without her. And people often forget that. They're like, oh, you're the man, you're the one that makes all the money. It's like, yeah, but I can only do that because I have a partner that pulls their weight as well. So they're just as much involved in the process of making money as what I am. The difference is she's over there, I'm over here. That's it. Yeah, would you not agree with that?

Robby: 37:06

Uh I'm not in that position.

George: 37:07

Yeah, I know, okay.

Robby: 37:08

Yeah.

George: 37:09

But I look, I again, and I say I say that as another, you know, talking to myself, and I don't go by anyone else's standards or anything like that. I'm there's also a sense of accomplishment there that I can be in a position where my wife doesn't have to work at the moment, and that's great too. And look, if she did want to, like by all means, go out there, do whatever you want to do, but she doesn't have to. So that's that's great for me too. And I think it's been a really positive thing in our children's life that she's been able to be home raising the kids as opposed to me or both of us needing to work to sustain our life or whatever it might be.

Robby: 37:46

Is there um is there particular places you'd like to go that you've you've got in the world? Yeah, I I I want to go to Japan, funny enough, but I think that's a everyone wants to go to Japan. I don't know. I don't know anyone. Can I say this? I don't know two things. I don't know anyone that's doesn't want to go, and I don't know anyone that's gone at a bad time.

George: 38:04

Oh, I'm gonna fucking ruin your day. Oh no. I know someone that's very close to me. I won't say who or how. Have to say his name, you fucking dud. You're not gonna do it. He won't listen anyway. He won't listen anyway. What's his name? No, I can't. Nah, come on. No, I can't. Do it, do it. His name's George. Went to Japan, stayed there for two days, and left. This is listen, why? But I think it was more uh his own getting in his own headspace more than the actual place itself. Just had uh like anxiety, panic attack type thing. Yeah, and space. Yeah, that's all it was. It was all that. But yeah, so I want to go. My wife has no my wife has no interest in going whatsoever, doesn't want to go to Japan at all. Why? I don't know, she just does not there. I just think Japan would be a cool place to go from what I've seen. I haven't seen anything outside of what's online, but the actual Tokyo looks really cool. But to even go do the traditional side of things, go see temples and mountains and shit like that, Disneyland, I guess. Disneyland, could go see it there too. So, yes, I do want to go to Japan at some stage.

Robby: 39:10

Does Nicole want to go to any other countries? Uh, I'd say just Europe at this stage.

George: 39:18

Like just other countries in Europe. No, no, other Europe, European countries. So say Italy. So won't do Asia. Does I should do Singapore? We were planning a Singapore trip this year. It didn't come to fruition. Yeah. But maybe next or the year after, potentially. But yeah, so yeah, she would do places like that.

Robby: 39:35

Yeah, okay.

George: 39:36

See, I've got no interest to go to African African countries at all.

Robby: 39:43

Yeah, me either.

George: 39:44

Yeah, I just don't know. Maybe Egypt. Maybe. Yeah. I well I've got some friends that are from there and they say it was pretty amazing to go see.

Robby: 39:52

I'll tell you, do you? I've got it, I've got a whole list. I've listed I've sat down and listed every country I want to visit.

George: 39:56

Yeah, awesome. Well, have you actually got it on your phone?

Robby: 39:58

I've actually got it on my phone.

George: 39:59

Yeah, cool.

Robby: 40:00

Yeah, because then I kind of like it.

George: 40:01

Well that is in itself a bucket list of it.

Robby: 40:03

Yeah, so like I don't know, you won't be able to see this, but for those listening, I'll show you the list. Look, I'm like I've got a bunch of ticked off. Yeah, I've got a bunch of ticked off, and like there's a whole bunch I still want to go to.

George: 40:11

Can you halfway? Name, yeah, you're not halfway at all. Name, you know, ten of them. Ten of your next ones. Your next one.

Robby: 40:19

I also list I list places, not just countries. Yeah. So, like, for example, I've got Byron Bay on here. I've never been to Byron Bay. Yeah. Like, I want to go, I'd like to go to Byron Bay. Or I'd like to go to Nusa. Or I'd like to go to Vietnam, which is probably going to be my next trip. I think my sister's going there actually next year, mid year. My cousin's there now. Um, and apparently it's like a great place. Yeah. He's like, this is I've heard this is probably his favourite country in Asia. Yeah. His exact words were look, if I don't buy a house while I'm here, I'll come back to visit. It's like, Jesus. Um yeah, I've got I've got countries like I've got Mongolia on the list. Shout out to Iggy. Shout out to Iggy. Do you know he sent me a message the other day? Did he? Oh I spoke to him a few days back. Oh, did you? Yeah. Oh, like just through through messages. I'm gonna try to find it. Um, you know, I've got like Argentina. Yeah. Yeah, I'd love to go to Argentina. Brazil. You know, I'd love to go to Canada. I'd uh love to go to Mexico.

George: 41:18

Yep.

Robby: 41:19

Um Yeah. You know, Philippines. Um That's what he sent me. That's it. About what what is that about? I don't even know. I think Oh, I I took a part of the ice cream. About ice cream. Yeah, yeah. Um yeah, but there's like, you know, I've got um Dubai.

George: 41:41

Dubai is cool, man. And I went to Dubai twenty years ago, and Dubai's cool.

Robby: 41:45

Yeah, Portugal. You know, just just places that uh Japan's on the list. Not that much on the list.

George: 41:52

Yeah, that's okay, that's good though. Take them off.

Robby: 41:56

And then I just try and try and lock something in all the time and just work through this list.

George: 42:00

Yeah. That's good. Okay, so we've gone through a few of mine. What else you you've got travel, you had your house, what else is on your list?

Robby: 42:14

I would say something like business related. Like and I'm I kind of thinking of this more specifically now on the spot, but something in relation to like a a big exit. Yeah, I mean that would be like I feel like if I did that, I might be done.

George: 42:34

With business? Yeah. If I did like I I don't know if you would. What else are you gonna do? If you had a big exit, you're just gonna retire?

Robby: 42:40

No, no, as in like I would be I would feel like that part is accomplished.

George: 42:47

Yeah. You've yeah, you've got a big tick.

Robby: 42:49

Yeah, it's like a big tick, and it's like you might still do it for fun, but uh even if that didn't go go anywhere from that point, you probably wouldn't care as much. Yeah. Whereas now I care. You know what I mean? Which is probably like a now to driver. Yeah. Might be less driven. Um but yeah, that would be like an uh a an eight-figure or multi-eight figure kind of exit. Yep. Um yeah, and then and then that's when I look at life, man, like wealth, health, uh experiences and relationships. Do you know what I mean? And it's like cool, like the family thing's always been there, like you know, kids, etc. Uh health is just your habits, really. Like there's no health, like I don't like I don't want to be a bodybuilder or anything. Just want to, you know, be healthy, be healthy, yeah. And it's habitual.

Speaker: 43:40

Yep.

Robby: 43:41

Wealth, that'll come as part of the whole business aspect. Yeah. And then the rest is all, you know, experiential. Like, I want to go do that thing. And I I've got a I used to have this list, I don't have it anymore. And I used to have this list where I would track particular experiences. So I used to see like someone went to this place in the middle of Iceland, and it's like you can see this particular thing, or like um what's that thing called that you see in like Finland and that? The where the sky goes green. Uh the northern ice. Northern ice, yeah. It's like like stuff like that. And I would write them down because I'd be like, I want to, I'd like to see that one day in my life. You know what I mean? And just tracking particular things like that, and just saying, like, cool, how do I tick these? Because there's a there's a there's a level of satisfaction that comes with ticking something off.

George: 44:32

Yeah, accomplishing something, absolutely. Yeah, it's like okay, absolutely.

Robby: 44:36

I've done that, and then you can kind of look back and be like, oh, I've done all these things. Do you know what I mean? Because like, I don't know, I don't have the I'm not a car guy at all.

George: 44:46

Yeah, right. Yeah, like I'm just funny, ex-mechanic, you know, always been around cars. Maybe that's why. That's because you were around them, around them so much back in the day.

Robby: 44:57

I would love to jump in a McLaren and thrash it around. Yeah. But is it like on my bucket list to own a McLaren? Yeah. Not really. Don't care. Yeah, that's cool.

George: 45:11

And that's so that's totally fine. You know, just because you're a man and you know, you it's like you have to have a a buck, uh sorry, a car like that to you know, secure your manliness or whatever about that. It's just it is your personal preference and what what is you and this is something that you should be if you guys listening now, it's gonna be your thing, it's not someone else's, or because oh, that would be cool. I'd rather I'd rather have a boat. Yeah, that I mean, fuck no. How cool is it? Because it's like that's way more fun, and you like the experience with it. Absolutely. See, I really personally, I actually really enjoy driving. You know, I'll drive, I'll drive my wife's car and just be down the road and just go, okay, well, this is just listen to music on a nice day, sunroof open, and go, cool, like this is enjoyable for me right now. I like what I'm doing. And uh yeah, and the same thing, like whenever I'm on the ski, we take the ski out every now and then. I'm like, cool, this is fun. Like, I get to have all this fun and do all these things and all that sort of stuff. And it is, man. And one of my friends just bought a ski, we've taken it out a few times uh over the last few weeks, and it's just an enjoyable thing to have and to be doing and experiencing. Like the other day I drove down to so we used to drive to this lake called Lake Narrikan when I was early 20s, mid to early 20s, um, with my mate. And we take the jet skis out. It's in Moy or just past Maui. And you saw a snake, huh? Yeah, yeah, I saw a snake there. First time smiled. That was full on. It was a big snake. It didn't look that big in the video, but it was probably two meters. Nah, not that big. Relax, relax, fan. Yeah, it's probably it's probably it's that probably a meter and a meter, a meter and a half somewhere there. Look, it was a black uh red bellied black snake. So it's a poisonous snake as well. But I don't think I Googled it. You no recorded cases of death, just extreme pain. So if it be yeah, but you know, the what man, the thing was more scared of everything of everything else around it than what we were, what what I was of it. But yeah. Was there other people around? Yeah, it was heaps. It was a busy day. Like someone actually, so we were in one back on the bank of the river, and then there was people probably 20 meters further down from where we were, and then one of them came over to us and said, Hey guys, we just saw a big ass fucking red snake, big black belly snake, and everyone's like freaking out. All right, well, cool. If we see it, just make noise, it'll go away. And then as I was walking uh across the road, I saw it slithering across the road. I'm like, Fuck, check that out. And it's funny, man. Like, I got a lot of messages from people like fuck that, that's the worst. I would die, I would like fall over and I don't know, combust. I'm like, all right, cool, bro. Okay, so it's quite interesting to realise some people's fear of snakes.

Robby: 47:45

In Victoria, especially. Yeah, because we don't see them. Yeah, yeah, there you go. Uh I went to WA and stayed on the beach. Yeah, and I was sleeping in a tent. Oh, cool. And you'd wake up and they're like meters away from your tent, yeah, there'd be like a bunch of like snakes holes like from snakes. Oh, yeah. Sand. Just from keeping warm. Yeah, and you're like, cool, like that thing's not that far, dude. Like, yeah, uh, you'd have no idea where they went. Yeah, that's it. Um, but yeah, I I never I never actually saw a live one moving. I've never seen a live snake in the wild. Yeah, right. Yeah. Oh, I've probably that's probably the second one in my whole life. Anyone, yeah, anyone listening to this outside of uh Australia that thinks you know, walk into your bedroom and there's a snake.

George: 48:25

It was funny, one of my um so my um cousin's missus who lives in Canada, she has messages is like, what the fuck? She got because she's coming here to live at the end of the year. And she's like, What the fuck? Is that real? I'm like, Yeah, I go, look, it's fine. You go sometimes when you're sleeping at night, they just come and curl up at the end of your bed just to keep warm. It's you know, it's what you would do. That's what they do. Yeah, it's what they do. She's like, You're joking, right? I'm like, and I just didn't respond. Let her think about it. So anyway, we're down at Maui, um, riding the skis. This is in our early 20s, and two, three weeks ago, my mate bought a ski and he's like, Hey, do you want to go to Maui? I haven't been there for you know nearly 20 years. And I said, Yeah, cool, let's do it. And so I went down and I took my son as well. Now, just going down there was an hour and 40 minute drive from where we are. Took the ski down there, just spent the whole day there, and it was just cool just to have that experience with my son. You know, we went there skiing for the day with my mate, he brought his daughters as well, and we just had a day out. You know, those are the sorts of things. Not everything has to be a full-on massive achievement. Like your bucket list can be things like just spending more time with people that you love doing things that you love doing, and you can win that way too.

Robby: 49:33

Do you have anything else on your list that's like that? Like anything specific? Because mine's just full of places I'd like to visit.

George: 49:44

Yeah, and you'll have experiences at each of those places as well.

Robby: 49:48

Yeah.

George: 49:51

You know, the list is evolving too. Different stages of your life will will different things will come up. Do you know what I mean? You know, perhaps once my kids move out, maybe me and my wife would be like, hey, let's go travel the world. Let's go take 12 months and go to different countries. Maybe that could end up being a bucket list potentially. Who knows? So, and it's not right now, but it doesn't mean it couldn't be in the future.

Robby: 50:15

Yeah, I guess it's um the thing that makes it a bucket list thing isn't just doing it, it's it's having the want to do it over a period of time. It's like these are the things where it's like I want to kind of tick these off before I, as you said, kick the bucket.

George: 50:29

Yeah. Now there's certain things as well, right? That it doesn't always have to be tied to money. I think a lot of people would be like, Oh, I need to have a million dollars before I can do that one thing. So, for example, when we went to Vegas the other day, earlier in the year.

Robby: 50:46

I was gonna say the other day.

George: 50:48

I always say the other day. My Simon just gives me shit for that all the time. It was like four years ago, but I'll say the other day, which I'm not wrong. I'm accurate. Yeah, yeah. We drove supercars for a day.

Robby: 51:04

Yeah.

George: 51:04

And we took out what was it, Aston, Ferrari, Lamborghini, and Porsche, a Lambo, and a Porsche, yeah, GT3. Now, we got to experience those cars and drive them very fast, over 200 Ks on the straight. Now, just because I don't own a car, I still got to experience that. So, to a degree, you're sort of ticking off bucket ticket items, and you know, you can still have the experience and have that moment in time without having to buy a Ferrari. So, a lot of people get trapped in the space of going, well, you know, yeah, that's a bucket item, but you know, I need a million dollars before I can go buy a car of disposal of income that I can just blow on that car as well. So it's not like just get to a million and then go buy the vehicle. It's I've got to have it spare. So you probably have to make a lot more than that to get a vehicle like that. So go and experience it. I think bucket bucket list items are also a bit of an excuse to people sometimes, as in, oh, I would love to do something like that someday. But kind of using it as an excuse to put it in the bucket list, as oh, well, you know, probably won't ever achieve that. I probably won't ever get the Ferrari or go business. Oh, you're you reckon people use it. I think so. I think there's a level of that too, because it's my bucket list. I got time. Yeah, you know, you know, do that.

Robby: 52:21

It'd be a bucket list to fly like first class or yeah.

George: 52:25

Yeah, but doing it properly first class, like with a proper cabin and stuff. Because my brother and who was it? My sister-in-law went and brother-in-law, they went first class to Greece a couple years ago, or whatever it is. He had points, and it wasn't it was it wasn't that much different from business. Business.

Robby: 52:39

Yeah. No, no, you need to go like it's like an emerald. It's like a property. Yeah, yeah.

George: 52:45

You have to where you get two like a double bed.

Robby: 52:47

Yeah, yeah, you get a double bed. It's like you're upstairs and down, so you got a bathroom instead of like you're like your bathroom. Yeah, yeah.

George: 52:53

No fucking around. A shower in the air. Um you haven't showered 30,000 feet in the air. You haven't lived.

Robby: 53:00

Yeah.

George: 53:00

You haven't lived. Have you lived if you haven't showered in the air? It's like, okay, maybe some people are like, oh, I would love a private jet. Well, maybe you don't have a private jet, but go fly private once. It'll cost you 10, 15 grand. Go. Fly private to Queensland. All right, and then you can go, cool, I've experienced that. That's true. So yeah, don't make a if you've got a bucket list, have an element of trying to achieve it.

Robby: 53:25

Yeah. Is there anything uh experiential that isn't location based? That's like like for example, uh running a marathon. Yep. Is there anything you have that's like that?

George: 53:38

I've got no I don't know. All you all you weird fuckers out there that ride bikes in lycra and marathons, you're all fucking weird. We're gonna run wearing lycra and you're not a fan? Nah. Come on. I want to run them over. When I see what do you know how upset I get? Yeah, how upset I get when I turn onto Beach Road here. And there's a whole bunch of beaches. And there's a whole not just that, it's when they've closed the fucking road. Would you say it's a Melbourne marathon or some shit like that, and they close the whole bay side because they want to run down the bay or ride to the bay. I would just want to run them over. Have you ever ridden like a good bike?

unknown: 54:10

No.

George: 54:11

Like a I'm gonna say no.

Robby: 54:12

Yeah, okay. Right a proper bike. Yeah, I've heard they're alright. Yeah. When you ride a proper bike, you're like, hey, this is actually pretty cool. Hey, I don't.

George: 54:19

I don't want to get I don't want to get one. Then I'll have to wear have to take back all the time. And then you can just get like you can kind of go for a cruise. So instead of like look, I don't mind riding my bike. Do you have a bike? I had one. I actually just threw it away about You threw it away. Yeah, I actually I put it outside my house uh about three months ago. Yeah. And someone took it. Yeah, like But I did that on purpose.

Robby: 54:38

And it doesn't have to be it doesn't have to be like a dude, push bikes. There's like $30,000 push bikes.

George: 54:43

Yeah, I know. Stupid. Wow. Stupid. I just had some you know, three, four hundred dollar mountain bike.

Robby: 54:47

Yeah, no, no. Like if you go spend like $2k and you get like a like one of my I never I've never bought one. One of my mates had a giant. Yeah. Yeah, and I rode it and I was like, hey, this is a cool bike, man. And it goes quite quick. Yeah, yeah. It's like this is quite comfortable to ride, and I can see why you wear lycra. I can't. Um they're called mammals.

George: 55:11

Have you heard of that acronym? The people that ride bikes? Yeah, mammals. Yeah. Middle aged man wearing like middle aged man in lycra or something like that. Something like that. Never M. Anyway. Mammal. Never. Middle-aged man in lycra. Um uh so yeah, don't do the bike thing. Uh so no, I have no ambition to do that. I reckon as far as a little I don't know if this is a bucket list item. No, fuck it. Let's put it on the list, why not? I want to be in really, really good shape the older I get. Even now. You know, last night. Last night I was even I was just at home and I was like, cool, I'm gonna get back into the gym and I'll just move in my shoulders a bit and they're fucked. So I started doing some razors with um some bands I've got just to warm them up and get them back into the the swing of things and try to get some strength in my shoulders because I think it's like my rotator cuff isn't strong enough, which is why my shoulder hurts. So I'm doing all those sorts of exercises to get back in there and start pushing again. But yeah, I I think that'll be just it's more of an ongoing goal than a bucket list goal, but yeah, it's just to be in really peak physical position uh condition.

Robby: 56:20

Yeah, okay. That's more, yeah, uh would you say that's more habitual?

George: 56:24

Uh definitely habitual. It has to be. I know like I was I was listening to a podcast on the way into the office today, and it was exactly that. You know, when you're between 35 and 45 is when you've really got to start taking your health seriously because it's not because you're unhealthy or you can't cope now, it's when you're 50, 60, 70, 80 is when it's gonna pay off. So, you know, I'm in that bracket at the moment. I made the decision, you know, a couple of years ago to start really looking after my health and and eating well and working out. I haven't worked out for a little while, but I'm gonna start getting back into it literally in the next week. Yeah, eating's a big one. Huge, huge. Like I'm so keen, like I spoke to you about the other day, where you got your meat from from that place. I'm gonna have a high protein meat diet. With other things, I'll still eat other shit. But yeah, I just want to have that aspect of my diet taken care of. You know, when I'm I'm happy and I think I'd be quite happy coming home every night and having a meat-based meal. I don't think I'm gonna suffer too much from having that. Carnival? Yeah, carnivore-esque. Not full carnivore like you did, and eat nothing else. But like I'll still have some greens and some vegetables and and whatnot. But yeah, very carnivore-based. Yeah. High protein eggs, meats, that sort of stuff.

Robby: 57:34

So you don't want to run a marathon?

George: 57:36

No, I don't, I don't have any ambition to run a marathon. Look, I went for a run the other day. Okay, little little things. I like the little things. I went for a run the other day with my son about a month ago. He's 11, so he's you know, we're starting, he's starting to grow and be a bit fitter. And I thought, I thought we'd run a couple K and he'd he'd be struggling. He kept up with me the whole time. Kept up with me the whole time, and you know what? He he could have kept going, and probably would have out like that was the first time I've gone for a run. That's what I was gonna say in probably three years. I think you went. Yeah, I was fucked. Yeah. No, I was actually okay, considering considering I hadn't run in three years. It wasn't a hard run, it was just a jog. It was a jog. Like I wasn't going fast at all, but non-stop for about two K's. And yeah, we did fine. Like at the end, we did a sprint. I said, cool, let's sprint from here to the end of the street. And we did the sprint, and he kept up as well, and he was all right, like he could have kept going. And I just but then I think back at that, I was like, you know, that was cool. That was cool that I went for a run with my son. How good. So I like that aspect of it. And then there were other things I did that same day. Uh I did something. Oh, I washed the car. So I used to love washing the car as a kid. I don't know if you ever did. Me, yeah, I used to. Yeah. So I grabbed my I washed my car, had um, I bought a gurney. I saw my son and said, Hey, do you want to help me come wash the car? He's like, Yeah, cool. So it was just little things like that. We got to experience like he put the soap on it and did all that sort of stuff. I said, Cool, I'll clean the wheels and then you rinse it all off. Uh, so that was cool doing that as well. So, do you ever um well I always say a lot of things with my son, but there's I do things with my daughter too.

Robby: 59:11

I don't know. It sounds like you don't like your daughter. Hey, I'll I'll fucking I'll jump over to that. It's um it sounds like you're you're hanging to go overseas with your wife and son. You're like, I'm gonna go in the car. Oh, I booked it in my name. No, you stay. So you stay. You stay and me and Stevie will go.

George: 59:26

Yeah, no, I definitely want to do things with my daughter as well, obviously, but it's just you should do it's a different thing.

Robby: 59:31

Yeah, yeah, of course. You're not gonna you could wash the car with her, but um.

George: 59:34

No, she'd rather she'd but that's she's like my son and daughter, chalk and cheese, which is um that's cool. You want that, right? Oh, absolutely. My son's very boyish, but my daughter's also very girlish. Yeah, she's not into all those extra curricular activities. She'd she's very artistic, so she'd much rather stay home and paint, you know, and do creative stuff. She's very creative, whereas he's more cool, let's get going and outdoors and shit.

Robby: 1:00:00

Why don't you make a list of things? Because it sounds like those things kind of happen by default. Like I'm sure you hadn't written down the impossible car. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I think that's a very powerful thing. Yeah, why don't you make a list of those things? And it's like, you know what?

George: 1:00:13

Uh I want to Because then I'll think of things like where this is very off the cuff as far as a conversation's concern, and we're just thinking of things that we've known of. But I think when you actually start to write it down, it's it's more of a becomes more of a goal than a dream. Yeah, and then you can have things in place and go, okay, cool, let's let's do these things, let's get these things underway.

Robby: 1:00:34

Yeah, and I think like also if you're saying like that was sick, it's like, well, what if you just filled your life with a bunch of those things?

George: 1:00:40

Yeah.

Robby: 1:00:42

You're winning. Yeah. You're winning. Do you know what I mean? It's like maybe it's like, uh, I want to take him camping, or I want to go fishing with him, or uh make him catch his first fish, or you know what I mean? Just like stuff like that. And it's like okay, if you can make a list of all those little things and you can kind of tick them off.

George: 1:00:59

And this is where I feel okay with myself working so much. Okay, this is where I feel okay with it, and I don't have that guilt. Like I won't look back and go, oh, you know, I should have worked less. Because I can have those moments with them. I have, like, as we said, the quality time. It's about having quality time with those that you care about and that you love, as opposed to being there 24-7. Because you can be there 24-7 on the couch playing PlayStation whilst your kids are upstairs. That's not you spending great time with your family, even though you're at home. So I'm happy to dedicate a lot of my time, efforts, and resources to the business. But then when I'm with them, having that quality time. So, you know, when you do go away, uh if we do do go to Disneyland, if we do go overseas holidays or interstate holidays, all that sort of stuff, it's about spending that quality time with them.

Robby: 1:01:45

Yeah, and like being able to unplug, yeah, be present.

George: 1:01:49

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Being present is really important for sure.

Robby: 1:01:54

Yeah, I think you should do that. Make that list. I will. I will. Sounds like that would be uh quite beneficial.

George: 1:02:00

Well, I think it'd be beneficial for anyone.

unknown: 1:02:02

Yeah.

George: 1:02:02

For all you guys listening. Like if you should be motivated right now to put something together because as I said, if it's uh don't make an excuse, oh that's a bucket list item that I'll do one that I hope to do one day. You know, but if I do or I'll do it when I retire. I'll drive that Lambeau when I retire, but not before.

Robby: 1:02:19

Yeah, like you don't get you don't get that many practices. No, you don't. 41. 41. Okay. So if you live to 80, you've got 40 summers. I'm over halfway. You got 40 summers. Yeah. That's it. That's it. 40 summers. And that's all. 40 more Christmases, 40 more new years. And it's like if you don't do it in this one, you just lost 2%. Yep. It's like if okay, cool, that thing you need to do. Because then things are gonna fall into category. Like, okay, cool, that has to happen in like the grease trip has to happen in winter because you want to go there summer.

Speaker 1: 1:02:52

Yeah.

Robby: 1:02:52

So it's like, okay, we've only got 40 winters. If I don't do it this winter, I don't do it next one. I just lost 5% of my total available time.

George: 1:03:01

That's wild. Yeah. And that's a th that's a whole concept behind kids as well. It's like you have them for that period of time. When they're 16, 18, you know, 15 to whatever, 15 onwards, they want to spend less and less time with you. And the same memories, you're not going to create those exact same memories with them at 15 as you are at eight.

Robby: 1:03:22

Yeah, but yeah. I guess I'll understand one day.

George: 1:03:26

Absolutely, absolutely. And look, this that's the great advantage, I suppose, of where you are in your life right now, is you can leverage the experiences of others and listen to the things I'm telling you. You know, I've had guys, I I coach and mentor some guys that have young kids and start and just started a business. And I'm like, cool, listen to me, because I've been there, I've done that. And I can give them some really solid advice as far as you know the pressures, the things that they're going to go through. Because, you know, I had a young family and a young business and a new business, and I saw how that really affected me in that time, and I can help them in that process too, and what's important and why they're doing it, and having their purpose, their values, all those sorts of things come into play. Um, so yeah, I reckon um when the time does come for yourself. Okay. On a personal level, is that a bucket list thing for you to have kids and a family and all that sort of stuff?

Robby: 1:04:20

Um I wouldn't call it bucket list. Like it's it's a as in the sense like it's always been there. Yeah. But it's also there's a limit of it's out of your control. Yes. Yeah.

George: 1:04:33

Do you think so? How so? You might not be able to have kids. Oh, yeah, of course. Okay. But not to find a partner.

Robby: 1:04:38

No, no, no. But like that element might be um like there's just aspects of course. I wouldn't call it a bucket list thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know. It did to me, that's not a that's something if you want in life, you go do it. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Um, but yeah, it's definitely uh something like the family. I don't want to build a uh dream house just to go sit in it by myself. Hey, well how else now I'll come and use your spa. Yeah, I'll charge you membership. You can pay for house somehow. Yeah. Um, yeah. But I think uh anyone listening, you know, have a think about what those things are to you and what's the like what do you want? Yeah, 2025's you freaked that it was November. 2025 is done. This episode will air, you'll be halfway, more than halfway through November.

George: 1:05:29

Yeah. When this airs. Yeah, it's amazing how quickly it goes. Yeah. Amazing how quickly it goes. So I think there's got to be, there has to be a time to just pause and reset and go, this is what I want in my life. Because you can be that person that works at the same business for 10 years or as a job and just stuck there. Like you said, you went to Mercedes the other day with the your old boss invited you back, and you walked into that showroom 10 years later, and there's still the same guys sitting in the same chairs doing the same thing. And whilst that's totally that's that's fine, but have they blinked? Have they done achieved anything in those 10 years, or have they literally just clocked in day in, day out? Stop clocking in and clocking out every day. There's got to be an element of you doing more, achieving more, or you will become one of those stories where people go, Hey, what do you regret in your life? And you're like, Oh, I wish I worked at another company, I wish I travelled more, I wish I had kids. All those sorts of things.

Robby: 1:06:26

Do you think that's a mindset problem too? In the moment? So let's use that guy as an example. And and you might push back on this because you've associated like it it was very uh impactful to you. Yeah. But do you think his way of looking at it is wrong? Who? Sorry. That guy? The guy you'll meet 25 years, Abbey Group. Oh, that bloke. Yeah.

George: 1:06:50

Uh so was it his mindset? Yeah, like do you Yeah, at the time I think he he when he did that, when he was working in that moment, his whole idea was I'm the I'm I reckon this again. I never met the guy, never spoke to him. But my assumption would be that uh older man, so a previous generation, so the guy was probably old enough to be my dad. Yeah, I'm gonna work, I'm gonna provide, that's my role. That's it. I'm gonna work hard to give my kids the life that they want. And look, he I think he did mention, I can't remember exactly, but I'm pretty sure he mentioned something along the lines of you know, my kids love me, I love my kids, like there's no bad will, like there's nothing there. He goes, but selfishly, I missed out on all of those things. He goes, I'm never gonna get that moment back. I'm never gonna get to go to them when they're eight. I get to spend time with them now that they're 18. And he goes, Yeah, like there is an element of that where he could probably sit back and go, okay, well, you know, my kids went to private schools, my kids have found right. Do you get what I'm saying? Yeah, so they there is that element too. There is that be like, yeah, of course. Like that's why. Yeah, there has to be. But it's almost like he's he had that level of regret though. Yeah. That's all it was. But what's important to you? If you're like, there's people out there that don't give a fuck. Like with that, like, hey, don't fucking talk to me. I'm gonna feed you, I'm gonna make sure you live until you're 18. After that, it's your fucking journey. You sort your shit out. Okay, and then they're like, I've done my job, I'm proud, I love my kid, he loves me, but this is how it is. Totally fine if that's what you want, man.

Robby: 1:08:19

What is your job as a parent?

George: 1:08:21

Your job as a parent. Okay. It's to raise strong, independent people, right? That will go out and do whatever they need to do to be successful in life, whatever their definition of that is. My role, I'm not my I'm not friends with my kids now, but I want to be friends with them when they're adults. Now I need to guide them, I need to nurture them. My role as them is to protect, guide, nurture. They're the three things that I would do as a father.

Robby: 1:08:57

You said to raise strong, independent people.

George: 1:09:00

Yeah. So I want them to, I want to raise them to have core values, our core values that we believe. Like I'm I'm instilling my values onto them too, as every parent can and should do. That's fine. I've got however you want to raise your kids, totally fine.

Robby: 1:09:13

I think it happens by default.

George: 1:09:14

Yeah, absolutely it does. Absolutely. So, yeah, I like particularly for my son, I'm gonna he's gonna be a leader, he's gonna understand um that he's gonna need to work hard in his life. I don't want to spoon feed him, like he's not gonna have a silver spoon or anything like that, that he's gonna have to work hard for everything in his life, and for him just to be strong and and be able to handle difficult things in life, because it is gonna come.

Robby: 1:09:39

This is a great question. Um twenty years ago, yeah. Had you seen, I know you said that thing about if I saw my kids when I was a kid, I'd think they're rich kids. Yeah. Would you think with everything your son? Yeah, it's like older, uh would you say your son has advantages like you're providing him with opportunities you didn't have? Yeah, yeah, both, both my kids for sure. Yeah, yeah, of course, yeah. But we're talking about you, let's talk about your son specifically. Yeah. Yeah, cool. Um, would you say that someone of that level of advantage you would have referred to back in the day as spoon-fed? And obviously now you have a different. I don't think so.

George: 1:10:20

No. I don't think so. I never looked at I never went to a private school, but I never looked at private school kids in that way.

Robby: 1:10:27

So what's spoon-fed? You said spoon-fed, that's why.

George: 1:10:30

Oh, sorry. Spoon fed from the sense of the the parents do everything for them, wrap them up in cotton wool.

Robby: 1:10:37

Oh, yeah.

George: 1:10:37

Like that sense. Not necessarily just I'm going to give you opportunities, but just like, oh, the kid fell down. Hello. Let's quickly put a band-aid on him. Are you okay? Okay, hug him, hug him. Hey, get the fuck back up. All right. What happened? You're gonna did you hurt yourself? Yes. Oh, deal with it. Like you're gonna get hurt. Things are gonna happen. So there's a level of I I put that on both of my children as well, you know, because I want them to be strong, both physically and mentally. Uh, because there's gonna be times and challenges in life that are gonna come up that they're gonna need to handle, even as kids now. Even as kids now, there's gonna be times when they're bullied. Well, you need to be able to handle that. Like go there and understand what you have to do.

Robby: 1:11:13

That's that's a big fear.

George: 1:11:14

It's oh man, it's massive. And it's happened to both of my children as well. Unbashable. And I you want to bash parents. You want to go to houses and burn shit down, but they've got to handle it themselves too. So I I believe I've given that that level of tools and it's always an ongoing thing, right? But I've given that to my children, not from just the perspective of how to be able to handle it, but even just to be confident enough to be a leader in that space, especially with my son. My daughter's a little bit more reserved than what she than what he is. But yeah, giving them the confidence and the ability to go in there and say, cool, this is what it's, this is how we're gonna do it, this is what it's about, all that sort of stuff. But yeah, they need to be resilient and strong to get through life for sure. And the tools that you give them at this stage, you know, not babying them, not not sheltering them in every single moment. Yes, there's times when you need to give them a hug and kiss and hold them and all that sort of stuff, they're totally fine. But there's also times when they need to do something themselves, and they can't have the parent just, oh, let me do that for you, let me do that for you, because I love you so much.

Robby: 1:12:16

Uh, do you think having employees has helped? Or do you like is there a because you're like you're it's almost like you're coaching as a parent? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. Do you think having employees there is a like has it helped in any way, or vice versa? Has having kids helped you with your employees? Like, has there been any cross-correlation?

George: 1:12:39

Do you know what I reckon's helped me more than the employee side of things? I don't think that's help that's influenced me in any way.

Robby: 1:12:44

But so vice versa, like, and then do you think your kids have influenced how you treat your employees? You think there's no crossover?

George: 1:12:51

Me personally, no. I think what's influenced that aspect, both from kids and employees, is the self-development I've done for myself and how I've seen the change in ways I go about things that I then influence my kids with or my employees with. So I think it's more the things that I I've done rather than the things, the experiences between those two people.

Robby: 1:13:10

So you is there nothing the same that you do both ways?

George: 1:13:15

Not really. I mean, maybe unknowingly, but not really, no. No.

Robby: 1:13:21

Yeah, okay.

George: 1:13:22

I don't think so. I don't I can't put anything together at the moment. But I I I see a strong correlation between personal development or training or business knowledge that I use on my employees, but also the same on my kids too. That's what I'm saying. You know, no, as in, but that's not related to the two, it's from a third party that that's come from. So that's more from me, not from like they haven't influenced my kids, haven't influenced how I treat my employees, my employees haven't influenced how I treat my kids.

Robby: 1:13:49

No, no, no. Not have they influenced it, has having that experience, the skills being transferable. This which experience? Either one.

George: 1:13:59

No, I don't think so. Do you get what I'm saying? Yeah, I do. Yeah, okay. I do, but I don't I don't feel that there's a connection between that personally. It might be for other people because it's like you know, you're managing your children, you're managing your employees. I don't see that connection. No, I don't love my employees.

Robby: 1:14:15

No, not exactly the same.

George: 1:14:16

No, I know, but I'm just saying, like, there's it's more clear-cut with them. I want to guide them to be the best they can be for the business.

Robby: 1:14:23

I'll give you an example that I think might make this hair home. Yeah. You might let your kids make mistakes. Yeah. Because you do like it, I need them to make the mistake. Yeah. You might do the same thing with your employees. And you're like, let him make this error because he's it's going to give him a lesson that no matter how many times I tell him, he's not going to get it. Let him let him fall over, get back up, I'll confirm the lesson with him, move on. That sort of element. It's like, okay, cool. Yeah, I do that with my employees, and yeah, I started doing with my kids first. Or yeah, I did it with my employees first, and I also do it with my kids now that they kind of understand.

George: 1:14:56

Yeah. Do you get them? I do, I do get what you're saying, but I still feel that there's no connection. So there's nothing you do that's on both sides. I might do them, but I don't feel that there's a link between it. Like, as in, not one doesn't influence the other in any way whatsoever.

Robby: 1:15:10

What's it? So what do you mean by influence the other?

George: 1:15:13

Well, I don't you so the lessons I use and implement with my kids haven't affected how I do that with my business, with my employees.

Robby: 1:15:21

But it would because it's not your first time doing it.

George: 1:15:23

Doing which? Like the lesson.

Robby: 1:15:26

Yeah. Yeah. Because all of a sudden you're like, yeah, this is I do this with my kids, and I also do the same thing with my employees, and I could do it better with my employees because I've had the opportunity to do it with kids. Or vice versa.

George: 1:15:36

Yeah. Yeah. I don't think I still don't think so.

unknown: 1:15:39

Yeah.

George: 1:15:40

I still don't. I know it didn't. You're not understanding it. Maybe not. Maybe not. But I'm just saying the reason I don't the reason I don't. Okay, let's use that example of make the mistake. Yeah. Unless I I don't specifically go, if I see something's not I'd rather teach them not to make the mistake than make the mistake. Yeah. They'll probably make mistakes as just the nature of being in business and life and everything like that is anyway. But I'd rather teach them not to make the mistake. Whereas with my kids, I'd be more willing for them to make the mistake. No, go touch the stove. Go touch the hot stove.

Robby: 1:16:14

Yeah, but so there has there ever Okay, so you can't make any connection where the thing is the same.

George: 1:16:20

I'm sure there's instances, yes, with that that have to be. That have to because you okay, take relationship out of it. You're managing people.

Robby: 1:16:28

That's what I'm saying. Yeah, that was my whole So take relationship out of it.

George: 1:16:31

So it's like yeah, I've been so there's definitely but I think both of those managements of these two groups have come from me getting that development, that skills, that's right.

Robby: 1:16:42

Yeah, yeah.

George: 1:16:42

Yeah. But like So that's where the decision it's influence from here, not from these two guys aren't influencing each other.

Robby: 1:16:48

It's come from saying influence, what does that mean?

George: 1:16:50

The decision for me to ha make that decision with them or for them. But there would have to be a connection, as in remove the relationship aside. No relationship? There has to be, yeah. Yeah, there has to be.

Robby: 1:17:08

Yeah. Okay. Cool. So you're not a better boss for being a parent or you're not a better parent for being a boss?

George: 1:17:14

No, I don't believe so. I don't believe so. I'm just better at both of those because I become better myself.

Robby: 1:17:22

Yeah, but so don't you think if you only did one? If I only did if you were just a parent and you did personal development, you wouldn't be a better boss. So if you take one elev out of it, do you think you'd be better off or worse off?

George: 1:17:41

I don't think you'd be worse off. Hey? I don't think you'd be worse off if you took one of those parties out.

Robby: 1:17:46

So you don't think that having so okay, so if you took one party out, you don't think you would be less uh experienced, therefore less skilled? No, I would be. If I took one party out. So you're worse off. Yeah.

unknown: 1:18:02

Yeah.

Robby: 1:18:03

Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so it's like having that experience on both sides has made you better. Yes, it would have to have a consequence.

George: 1:18:14

Yes, that's exactly what I thought. You would have to. And you're like, nah. No, I think at the start you're saying, did it influence how I didn't know. I never used the word influence. Well, I use the fucking word influence.

Robby: 1:18:23

You use that word the whole time. Um but you know what you haven't influenced? What's that? You haven't influenced people to hit that subscribe button, George.

George: 1:18:29

Well, I did on YouTube. You did. I did at the start on YouTube, but there's many places where you could subscribe to the million dollar days pop.

Robby: 1:18:38

Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Spotify, which is where most of our listeners podcasts. Yahoo. Yeah. Ask Jeeves. What else is that? Bing podcast. Can you believe there'll be a day where we'll be like, you just have to go Google stuff? Yeah. And then people were like, What? And you're like, Yeah, you had to go on Google, and then and they're like, and what Google say back? And you're like, no, no, that's not how it worked. The way it worked was you type something in, and then there was a bunch of listings, and you had to click on the listings, and they're like, What?

George: 1:19:06

That's wild. You know, last night I was sitting at home and I was watching this video online. I was like, Google, I had the nest thing in the kitchen. I'm like, hey, Google, what's the conversion for uh one pound to Australian dollars? And it's like, I found this website. I'm like, shut the fuck up. I didn't ask you that. Stupid ass kid. You should be fucking dumb. I asked you what it was. Tell me it's two Australian dollars or whatever the hell it is. And it didn't do that, and I got annoyed. I didn't speak to it ever again for the rest of the night. We have uh, but in saying that, uh, an example I gave at my last training that I did was I think one, I think you told me this actually, where I got it from. One day we're gonna get into an Uber, we're gonna call an Uber, and we're gonna get in and we're gonna see that there's a human driver, and we're gonna be like, holy shit, where's how come the robot's not driving while you're driving it?

Robby: 1:19:54

Yeah.

George: 1:19:54

And like everyone in the room started laughing. I go, You're all laughing. I go, but think about it. I know, I know. I go, but just think about it for a second. A human is tired, makes mistakes, can't concentrate. Maybe they went out and had a bender the night before, maybe they broke up with their maybe they're bad drivers. Maybe they're bad drivers. Yeah. All these sorts of things, right? There's risk associated with a human being driving. And you're gonna get into the car one day, and it's gonna be a person driving it, and you're gonna be like, no, no, I'll wait for the I'll wait for a driverless car.

Robby: 1:20:26

How many people don't won't won't but now it's the other way around.

George: 1:20:29

People are thinking, oh no, no, I need a driver to do it. I'm not gonna get in a car with a fucking robot.

Robby: 1:20:33

I know many people that won't eat from a dish that's been washed by a human, they'll only eat from it when it's washed in the dishwasher.

George: 1:20:39

Really? And you're like that is the and they're like the first people to clean it properly. That is the first time I've ever heard that people in my life. People that you've employed. Yeah. I'm gonna throw off. I'm gonna fight you after this podcast. You're gonna tell me who it is.

Robby: 1:20:52

Yeah, and you're gonna hear a mass and you're like mass people. Yeah, and they're like, no, no, I don't trust that people clean it properly.

George: 1:20:58

Mass people, mass exodus at Passcon. Yeah. We'll build it relate. You heard it here first. Um that's fucking weird. Whatever that is, and you're listening, you're a weirdo.

Robby: 1:21:08

Yeah. If you're listening, if you're listening. All right, guys. Thanks for uh thanks for tuning into another episode on that note. Uh as always, if you haven't shared this with your mother, do so now. Yep. This is your final chance.

George: 1:21:23

Final chance and I hope you're having a million dollar day.

Robby: 1:21:28

Um yeah, share this with someone if you've gotten anything out of it. Write that bucket list, write the stuff right down. That's what I was gonna say. Just the activity of writing it down will will inspire you enough. Yep. Yeah, and write the shit down that you want to do.

George: 1:21:40

And don't wait for the first of January.

Robby: 1:21:43

Nah, write it down now.

George: 1:21:45

Do it now. Stop and pull over.

Robby: 1:21:47

Pause the episode. Pause the episode and go write it down, and we'll see you on the next one. Thanks, guys. Thanks, everyone.